Double Integral over Elliptical Area: Polar Coordinates and Substitution Method

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral over an elliptical area defined by the inequality \(1 \leq x^{2} + 4y^{2} \leq 9\). The original poster attempts to use a change of variables and polar coordinates to simplify the integral, but expresses confusion regarding their approach and results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various substitutions for the variables, such as \(u = x + y\) and \(v = \sqrt{3}y\), and question the appropriateness of these choices. There is also a suggestion to use \(u = x\) and \(v = 2y\). Additionally, some participants express concern about the boundaries of the region and the implications of assuming \(x, y \geq 0\).

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions made regarding the boundaries and the transformations used in the integral. There is recognition of potential errors in the original setup, particularly concerning the integrand and the limits of integration.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the boundaries of the region defined by the original inequality, particularly in relation to the conditions \(x, y \geq 0\) and how they affect the transformation to polar coordinates.

Gauss M.D.
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Homework Statement



Calculate

\int \int x dx dy

Over the area defined by 1 \leq x^{2} + 4y^{2} \leq 9

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The Attempt at a Solution



First we'll do the sub:

u = x + y
v = sqrt(3)y

Which gives us the area 1 \leq u^{2} + v^{2} \leq 9, u,v\geq0

and the integral

\sqrt{3} \int \int u - \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} v du dv

Now we will switch to polar:

u^{2} + v^{2} = ρ^{2}
u = ρ cos(θ)
v = ρ sin(θ)

Since the functional determinant is ρ, this gives us

\sqrt{3} \int \int ρ(ρ cos(θ) - \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} ρ sin(θ))dρ dθ

Since 1 \leq u^{2} + v^{2} \leq 9 and x,y \geq 0:
1 \leq ρ \leq 3, 0 \leq θ \leq \frac{\pi}{2}

\sqrt{3} /3 \int [ρ^{3} cos(θ) - \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} ρ^{3} sin(θ)] dθ

\sqrt{3} /3 \int [27 cos(θ) - \frac{27}{\sqrt{3}} sin(θ) - cos(θ) + \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} sin(θ)] dθ

\sqrt{3} /3 \int 26 cos(θ) - \frac{26}{\sqrt{3}} sin(θ) dθ

Evaluating this between 0 and pi/2 nets something like 26 sqrt(3) blabla. Something terribly off. What am I doing wrong? Been wrestling for hours with the same problem now.
 
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Why not u=x, v=2y?
 
Goddamnit.

Because the region is bounded by x^2 + 4y^2 + 2xy. Typo...
 
Gauss M.D. said:
Since 1 \leq u^{2} + v^{2} \leq 9 and x,y \geq 0:
1 \leq ρ \leq 3, 0 \leq θ \leq \frac{\pi}{2}
I don't see any previous mention of x,y \geq 0. Are you sure that's part of the boundary? And the map to a range for θ is not that simple - remember ρ and θ relate to x and y via u and v.
 
Yeah, x and y are both positive, which means u and v are too.

I am guessing we already identified the issue though. I think I dropped the 2xy somewhere when trying to express the integrand x in u and v... Gonna check.
 
Gauss M.D. said:
Goddamnit.

Because the region is bounded by x^2 + 4y^2 + 2xy. Typo...

Could you please re-write the whole question exactly? I can't figure out what you mean here.
 
Gauss M.D. said:
Yeah, x and y are both positive, which means u and v are too.

I am guessing we already identified the issue though. I think I dropped the 2xy somewhere when trying to express the integrand x in u and v... Gonna check.

You didn't answer my second point, that the region 1 ≤ ρ ≤ 3, 0 ≤ θ ≤ π/2 is the same as u ≥ 0, v ≥ 0, but it's not the same as x ≥ 0, y ≥ 0. E.g. consider x = -1, y = 1.
 

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