Doubt on equipotential surfaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of equipotential surfaces in conductors, particularly addressing the apparent contradiction between the equipotential nature of conductors and the flow of charges within them. Participants explore the conditions under which charges can flow in conductors and the implications of connecting a conductor to a battery.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how charges can flow in a conductor if all conductors are equipotential, citing examples like the Wheatstone bridge where charges do not flow due to equal potential.
  • Another participant explains that when a conductor is isolated and exposed to an electric field, charges rearrange to cancel the field inside, making it equipotential. However, when connected to a battery, current flows due to the maintained potential difference.
  • It is noted that while current flows, there is a negligibly small electric field inside the wire, which is considered as an equipotential in practical terms.
  • One participant draws an analogy to a body of water, stating that the surface is level unless there is a current, implying that Ohm's law applies in this context.
  • Another participant confirms that when current flows through a conductor, the potential difference between any two points is not zero, but is small compared to resistive elements in the circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of equipotentiality in conductors and the conditions under which charges can flow. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts, as multiple perspectives are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on specific conditions, such as whether the conductor is isolated or connected to a battery. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of electric fields and potential differences in various scenarios.

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i know that all conductors are equipotential,then how are charges flowing in a conductor?and at times in we say that charges won't flow since two points are equipotential(like in wheat stone bridge we say that charge won't flow across the capacitor/resistor since the ends of the 5th capacitor/resistor is at same potential),why is there an contradiction?
please explain
 
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If the conductor is isolated, say a rod, and it is exposed to an electric field, the charges on the rod will rearrange themselves such that the field due to these induced charges will cancel the effect of external field inside the rod. Hence, the rod will have 0 electric field inside and therefore, it will be called an equipotential. When you connect a battery across the same rod, same thing will happen but here, the induced +ve charges will flow to the -ve terminal and induced -ve charges will flow to +ve terminal of the battery. This is what we call 'current'. Hence, battery will maintain the potential difference across the rod and won't let the induced charges cancel the field inside (in fact, battery won't allow tbe formation of induced charges). So, when current flows, there is always an electric field inside the wire(due to surface charges), but it is negligibly small(but never 0, unless the wire is a superconductor) compared to that across the resistive components in the circuit, hence is neglected and the wire is considered as an equipotential.
 
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Indeed, Ohm's law applies.
It is like at a body of water: the surface is level, unless there is a current.
 
cnh1995 said:
If the conductor is isolated, say a rod, and it is exposed to an electric field, the charges on the rod will rearrange themselves such that the field due to these induced charges will cancel the effect of external field inside the rod. Hence, the rod will have 0 electric field inside and therefore, it will be called an equipotential. When you connect a battery across the same rod, same thing will happen but here, the induced +ve charges will flow to the -ve terminal and induced -ve charges will flow to +ve terminal of the battery. This is what we call 'current'. Hence, battery will maintain the potential difference across the rod and won't let the induced charges cancel the field inside (in fact, battery won't allow tbe formation of induced charges). So, when current flows, there is always an electric field inside the wire(due to surface charges), but it is negligibly small(but never 0, unless the wire is a superconductor) compared to that across the resistive components in the circuit, hence is neglected and the wire is considered as an equipotential.
thank you for replying sir,then do you say when a wire is connected to a battery potential difference between any two points of the wire is not zero?
 
vijayramakrishnan said:
thank you for replying sir,then do you say when a wire is connected to a battery potential difference between any two points of the wire is not zero?
If current is flowing through a conductor, then there is definitely an electric field,hence, potential difference is not 0. It is negligibly small compared to that across the resistive elements in the circuit, hence we take it to be 0 in practice.
 
vijayramakrishnan said:
thank you for replying sir
You are welcome. But I am far away from being a "sir"..I'm just 20, probably of your age:wink:..
 

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