Drawing Uniaxial Compression and Completing Mohr's Circle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the sketching of stress elements under uniaxial compression and the drawing of Mohr's circle. Participants explore the implications of uniaxial stress, the determination of shear and normal stresses, and the geometric representation of these stresses on Mohr's circle.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a sketch and a partially complete Mohr's circle for uniaxial compression, seeking feedback on their approach.
  • Several participants discuss the values of \sigma_y and \tau_{xy}, with some suggesting that \tau_{xy} should be zero due to the nature of uniaxial stress.
  • There is a debate about whether the shear stress should be included in the Mohr's circle representation, with some arguing it should be labeled as zero.
  • Participants calculate the center and radius of Mohr's circle, with one confirming the values as correct.
  • Questions arise regarding the orientation of the element and the angles involved in determining maximum shear stresses.
  • One participant notes that the problem requires determining maximum shear stresses and the orientation of the element, leading to discussions about the relationship between angles and points on Mohr's circle.
  • Another participant raises a question about the implications of a radius of zero in the case of biaxial compressive stress.
  • There is a suggestion that the angle of rotation in Mohr's circle corresponds to the rotation of the element itself, with participants discussing how to derive stress values from the circle.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding Mohr's circle and its geometric representation to solve the problem effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of shear stress in the context of uniaxial compression and the interpretation of angles in Mohr's circle. There is no clear consensus on the correct approach to sketching the stress element and completing Mohr's circle, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not provide certain values, such as \sigma_y and \tau_{xy}, leading to confusion. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions of uniaxial stress and the assumptions made about shear stress.

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Homework Statement
Sketch the element for the stress state indicated and then draw Mohr's circle.

Given: Uniaxial compression, i.e. [tex]\sigma_{x} = -p[/tex] MPa

The attempt at a solution

Below I have the sketch and a partially complete Mohr's circle:

[PLAIN]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6001/civek.jpg

What am I missing on the Mohr's circle? Did I even go about this correctly?
 
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Any ideas?
 
First, tell us what [itex]\sigma_y[/itex] and [itex]\tau_{xy}[/itex] are equal to.
 
The thing is, they don't provide [tex]\sigma_{y}[/tex] or [tex]\tau_{xy}[/tex], which is why I was confused.
 
Well, the problem says the compression is uniaxial. What does uniaxial mean?
 
vela said:
Well, the problem says the compression is uniaxial. What does uniaxial mean?

That would mean having a single axis, so [tex]\sigma_{y}[/tex] is not involved here. But how about [tex]\tau_{xy}[/tex]? I simply assumed it existed, as you can see in my drawing of the Mohr's circle.
 
I'd take it to be 0 as well.
 
vela said:
I'd take it to be 0 as well.

If [tex]\tau_{xy} = 0[/tex] then there wouldn't even be a circle. Would it be a straight line?
 
No, you always get a circle. The two points you know are on the circle will be [itex](\sigma_y,\tau_{xy}) = (0,0)[/itex] and [itex](\sigma_x,-\tau_{xy})=(-p,0)[/itex]. Now you go about the same procedure as before and find the location of the center of the circle, its radius, etc.
 
  • #10
So in my sketch I should remove the shear stress arrows?
 
  • #11
Sure, or label them as being equal to 0.
 
  • #12
I found the centre to be [tex](\frac{-p}{2},0)[/tex] and the radius to be [tex]\frac{p}{2}[/tex]. Is this correct.
 
  • #13
Yes, that's correct.
 
  • #14
How do I find the line X'Y' since I don't know the angle [tex]\theta[/tex]?
 
  • #15
What are X, Y, X', and Y' supposed to denote?
 
  • #16
vela said:
What are X, Y, X', and Y' supposed to denote?

These 4 variables are points on the Mohr's circle denoted by:
X:([tex]\sigma_{x},-\tau_{xy}[/tex])

Y:([tex]\sigma_{y},+\tau_{xy}[/tex])

X':([tex]\sigma_{x}',-\tau_{xy}'[/tex])

Y':([tex]\sigma_{y}',+\tau_{xy}'[/tex])

There are equations used to solve for X' and Y', but one of the variables is [tex]\theta[/tex], which isn't given.
 
  • #17
OK. Did the problem ask you to find the axial and shear stresses for some plane?
 
  • #18
vela said:
OK. Did the problem ask you to find the axial and shear stresses for some plane?

That's part b of the question, which askes me to determine the maximum shear stresses that exist and to identify the planes on which they act by drawing the orientation of the element for these normal stresses.

But actually, [tex]\theta=0[/tex] because the angle between the line XY and the x-axis is 0.
 
  • #19
What points on the circle correspond go the orientation when the shear stress is maximized?
 
  • #20
vela said:
What points on the circle correspond go the orientation when the shear stress is maximized?

Would that be the points where the circle is at the highest and lowest in the y direction?
 
  • #21
OK, I'm still not clear on exactly what you're trying to do with (X', Y') and θ.
 
  • #22
vela said:
OK, I'm still not clear on exactly what you're trying to do with (X', Y') and θ.

2θ is what separates the lines XY an X'Y'. I think since θ = 0, there isn't an X'Y' line.
 
  • #23
When you draw Mohr's circle, typically you start with the axial and shear stresses for a given orientation of the element, so you know where the points X and Y lie on the diagram. Where X' and Y' lie depend on what you're trying to find. For instance, if you're interested in the principal axes, you'd choose to have X'Y' lie on the horizontal axis. If you wanted to find where the shear stress is maximized, you'd choose X'Y' so that it was vertical.
 
  • #24
For part c of the question, it asks me to sketch the element for the stress state and draw the Mohr's circle for the case of a biaxial compressive stress, i.e., [tex]\sigma_{x}=\sigma_{y}=-p[/tex] MPa.

I found the radius to be 0. Does that mean it's simply a point, instead of a cricle?
 
  • #25
Yes.
 
  • #26
For the case of uniaxial compression([itex]\sigma_{x}=-p[/itex]) I am asked to determine the maximum shear stresses, and to draw the orientation of the element for these normal stresses. Below I have what I think it should be. Is it correct?

[PLAIN]http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/116/cive2.jpg
 
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  • #27
No, that's not correct. First, what are the axial and shear stresses equal to when the shear stress is maximized? What angle do you have to rotate by on Mohr's circle to reach those points? How does that translate to the orientation of the element?
 
  • #28
Here is my Mohr's circle for this case.

[PLAIN]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4182/cive3.jpg

The centre point corresponds to [itex](\frac{-p}{2},0)[/itex]

Therefore, the maximum shear stress occurs when the normal stress is [itex]\frac{-p}{2}[/itex]. So does that mean the angle of rotation is 90 degrees clockwise?
 
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  • #29
Yes, you rotate by 90 degrees on Mohr's circle (clockwise or counterclockwise doesn't really matter).
 
  • #30
So will it look something like this:

[PLAIN]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8683/cive4.jpg
 
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