Maximum shear stress in Mohr's circle

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The discussion centers on understanding how to determine maximum shear stress using Mohr's Circle. Participants express confusion over the relationship between shear stress at points A and B and the correct approach to identifying maximum and minimum shear stresses. There is a debate regarding the sign convention used for shear stress, with references to external resources like Wikipedia for clarification. The conversation highlights the importance of mathematical derivation over graphical interpretation in resolving stress components. Ultimately, the participants seek to reconcile their differing interpretations of the sign conventions and calculations involved in Mohr's Circle analysis.
  • #31
Chestermiller said:
Well, there's something wrong with the solution in the pdf file you presented. The diagram clearly shows that tauxy is negative, and yet they treat it as positive. So there's now way I can answer this question.

I have some other stuff to do today, so I'll get back to that other thread you cited tomorrow.
Hope you can help me with the other thread . My lecturer asked me to do self -study . He is on leave . I have been thinking of this for the whole week . I have read a lots of online notes and also books, but stlil don't understand
 
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fonseh said:
Hope you can help me with the other thread . My lecturer asked me to do self -study . He is on leave . I have been thinking of this for the whole week . I have read a lots of online notes and also books, but stlil don't understand
Are you familiar with matrix operations, such as multiplying a matrix by a column vector?
 
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  • #33
Chestermiller said:
What I am going to do is solve this problem using the method that I am familiar with and that I know works. I will solve it for our two cases, one with ##\tau_{xy}=+25## and the other with ##\tau_{xy}=-25##.

Case of ##\tau_{xy}=+25##
First calculate ##\tan{2\theta_p}##:
$$\tan{2\theta_p}=\frac{2\tau_{xy}}{(\sigma_x-\sigma_y)}=\frac{(2)(25)}{(-80-50}=-0.38462$$So, $$2\theta_p=-21.04\ degrees$$

Next calculate the average of ##\sigma_x## and ##\sigma_y##:

$$\frac{\sigma_x+\sigma_y}{2}=\frac{-80+50}{2}=-15$$

Next calculate radius of Mohr's circle:$$R=\tau_{max}=\sqrt{\left(\frac{(\sigma_x-\sigma_y)}{2}\right)^2+\tau_{xy}^2}=\sqrt{(-65)^2+(25)^2}=69.6$$

Next, use the following equations to calculate the normal and shear stress components on a plane normal to a unit vector pointing in the direction of a the angle ##\theta## measured counterclockwise relative to the x axis:
$$\sigma_n=\left(\frac{\sigma_x+\sigma_y}{2}\right)+\frac{(\sigma_x-\sigma_y)}{2}\cos{2\theta}+\tau_{xy}\sin(2\theta)$$
$$\sigma_t=-\frac{(\sigma_x-\sigma_y)}{2}\sin{2\theta}+\tau_{xy}\cos(2\theta)$$

The minimum principal stress occurs at ##2\theta=2\theta_p=## = -21.04 degrees. The value is -84.6.

The maximum principal stress occurs at ##2\theta=2\theta_p+180## =158.96 degrees. The value is +54.63.

The following is a table of values for ##2\theta## (degrees), ##\sigma_n##, and ##\sigma_t##:

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The sequence of values is in the clockwise direction.

I changed my mind about doing tau=-25. This has gotten too time-consuming. I leave that case for you.
Chestermiller said:
Are you familiar with matrix operations, such as multiplying a matrix by a column vector?
No , i learned it , but i didnt master it well. so , i am having difficuties of understanding it
 
  • #34
Chestermiller said:
Are you familiar with matrix operations, such as multiplying a matrix by a column vector?
Is there any other way than the matrix method to check my sign convention ??
 
  • #35
fonseh said:
Is there any other way than the matrix method to check my sign convention ??
I'm trying to think of another way, but have not been successful yet? Are you saying that you could not multiply a 2x2 matrix by a 2X1 column vector? By any chance, are you familiar with dyadic tensor notation?

Not having the most appropriate mathematical tools to analyze this stuff makes it much more difficult to learn. It's like trying to do mechanics without knowing calculus.
 
  • #36
Chestermiller said:
By any chance, are you familiar with dyadic tensor notation?
i haven't learn this before
 
  • #37
Chestermiller said:
I'm trying to think of another way, but have not been successful yet? Are you saying that you could not multiply a 2x2 matrix by a 2X1 column vector? By any chance, are you familiar with dyadic tensor notation?

Not having the most appropriate mathematical tools to analyze this stuff makes it much more difficult to learn. It's like trying to do mechanics without knowing calculus.
perhaps you can try yo help me on this thread first , https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/angle-of-principal-stress-vs-maximum-shear-stress.897353/

I think this is more easy compared to the question in this thread...
 

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