Drift Speed of Electrons in Conductor with Applied Field

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The discussion revolves around the concept of drift speed of electrons in a conductor when subjected to an external electric field. Participants explore the nature of drift speed, the effects of acceleration, and the averaging of speeds in the context of both direct current (DC) and alternating current (AC) scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the drift speed is not calculated as the average of initial and final speeds, suggesting a formula of drift speed = (0 + at)/2.
  • Another participant argues that the acceleration of electrons is not constant and that electrons reach a steady-state drift velocity after an initial transient period when subjected to a constant electric field.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that drift speed is already an average, as electrons move at varying speeds and interact with the conductor and the applied field.
  • Another participant states that drift velocity represents the average speed of electrons after the electric field is established.
  • One contribution discusses the complexities of electron dynamics in conductors, mentioning the influence of electromagnetic and friction forces, and the need for both classical and quantum mechanical approaches to understand transport phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of drift speed, whether it should be considered an average, and the implications of constant versus varying electric fields. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexities of electron behavior in conductors, including the influence of collisions, the nature of acceleration, and the distinction between DC and AC fields. There are references to both classical and quantum theories, indicating a range of assumptions and interpretations in the discussion.

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for an electron, randomly moving inside a conductor , having applied an external electric field we have those electrons moving with a net speed called drift speed , against the direction of field.
so initially as electrons are moving randomly we consider their initial velocity o
and after time t =at
where a = acc. of electrons = e(field)/mass of electron
t = mean time between consecutive collisions of electrons
courtesy PHYSICS by halliday resnick krane vol 2
but i don't understand why don't we average the initial and final speed of electrons ie
drift speed = (0 + at)/2
??
 
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The acceleration of an electron in a real conductor is not constant. I think when subjected to an electric field, the speed of the electrons increases monotonically up to its "steady-state" drift velocity. If the applied field is not changing (DC), then after an initial transient time, the electrons are flowing at the drift velocity. If the applied field is a sinusoidal function (AC), then the current (and thus drift velocity) will also vary sinusoidally. An accelerating charge (i.e. a varying current) establishes an electromagnetic wave.
 
I think drift speed is already an average since every electron will be moving at different speeds and constantly interacting with the material and the applied field.
 
For the acceleration happened just a moment (average), the drift velocity is the average speed electrons have in the conductor after the generation of the electric field.
 
The electron in a (normal) conductor is under the influence of the electromagnetic force and to a friction force. The notion of a friction force is already a coarse grained description of the full complicated dynamics of the many-body (quantum!) system. On the level of linear-response theory you come astonishingly far with very simple classical pictures introducing some phenomenological transport coefficients (like electric conductivity) and response functions. On a microscopic level, you have to calculate appropriate correlation functions in statistical many-body QFT. See Landau-Lifshitz vol. X for a very good introduction into both classical and quantum transport phenomena.
 

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