Dropping a magnet through the moon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of dropping a magnet through a tunnel lined with copper wire in the moon, exploring the potential for generating electrical current and the behavior of the magnet under gravitational influence. The scope includes theoretical considerations of electromagnetism and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if a massive magnet is dropped through a tunnel in the moon lined with copper wire, it could produce a substantial current due to the magnetic field interacting with the wire.
  • Another participant suggests that if the coil ends are open-circuited, the magnet would oscillate indefinitely without losses, while connecting the coils to a load would result in the magnet eventually coming to rest at the center of the coil.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that the magnet will not return to the same distance after oscillating but will instead become stuck in the middle relatively quickly.
  • A later reply references a common physics demonstration related to the concept being discussed, linking to a video that illustrates Lenz's law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the magnet, particularly regarding whether it will oscillate indefinitely or become stationary. There is no consensus on the outcomes of the proposed scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the efficiency of energy extraction, the specifics of the magnetic field interactions, or the implications of connecting the coils to a load.

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Let's say we built a tunnel through the (arbitrary) center of the moon, and lined the surfaces of the walls with millions of loops of copper wire. If we dropped a massive magnet in through the moon, would it produce a substantial amount of current due to the magnetic field passing through the wire, and keep going back and forth due to gravity? And would it be worth it?
 
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Ghostcrown said:
Let's say we built a tunnel through the (arbitrary) center of the moon, and lined the surfaces of the walls with millions of loops of copper wire. If we dropped a massive magnet in through the moon, would it produce a substantial amount of current due to the magnetic field passing through the wire, and keep going back and forth due to gravity? And would it be worth it?

If the coil ends were open-circuited, then there would be no losses and the magnet would keep oscillating between the surfaces of the moon.

If the coil ends were connected to some load resistance (like a generator), then the back-emf would slow down the passage of the magnet on each oscillation on each pass, with the end result of the magnet stationary in the middle of the coil at the center of the moon, and you have extracted an amount of energy from the coil corresponding to the initial Gravitational Potential Energy of the magnet when released at the surface of the moon (minus inefficiencies).

Makes sense?
 
You might produce a current, but the magnet will not come out to the same distance again. It will simply get stuck in the middle relatively fast.
 

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