Dual nature of electron spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the dual nature of electron spectra, specifically focusing on the conditions under which emission and absorption spectra are observed in atomic transitions. Participants explore the transitions of electrons between energy states in hydrogen atoms and the implications for spectral lines.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the cause of spectra is the transition of electrons between states, questioning whether the focus is on emission or absorption spectra, or both.
  • Another participant describes the specific transition from the 1s to the 3p state in hydrogen, indicating that about 88% of excited states return to the 1s state directly, while 12% return via the 2s state.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding whether this transition results in both emission and absorption spectra.
  • Further, a participant explains that some gases can absorb their own emission lines, using the example of sodium D lines in sodium arc lamps, which exhibit absorption notches due to surrounding cooler gas absorbing the emitted light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions under which both emission and absorption spectra can be observed, and there is no consensus on the specifics of the transitions or their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference specific transitions and the behavior of gases, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the exact mechanisms and conditions that lead to the observation of both types of spectra.

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cause of spectra is transition of electron form one state to another state.
but which one? emission spectra or absorption spectra.
or in what case both spectra can be seen?
 
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You can directly excite the 1s -> 3p transition absorption line in a hydrogen atom, but only about 88% of the excited states will go back to the 1s directly by a 3p -> 1s transition.. The other 12% will go back down via the 2s state. Is this your question?
Bob S
 
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Bob S said:
You can directly excite the 1s -> 3p transition absorption line in a hydrogen atom, but only about 88% of the excited states will go back to the 1s directly by a 3p -> 1s transition.. The other 12% will go back down via the 2s state. Is this your question?
Bob S

is this transition emit both emission & absorption spectra?
 
astro2cosmos said:
is this transition emit both emission & absorption spectra?
Some gases can absorb their own emission lines. The strong yellow sodium D lines at 5890 Angstroms (two lines separated by about 5 Angstroms) in sodium arc lamps have absorption notches in the center of each broad line, because the cooler gas surrounding the arc is absorbing the emission from the hot arc. This can be seen with a good diffraction grating. [Actually, the emission line width is due in part to collisional broadening.]
Bob S
 

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