Dynamics: max horizontal swing of a pendulum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the dynamics of a pendulum, specifically determining the maximum horizontal distance a bucket will swing after being abruptly stopped while suspended from a crane. The context includes concepts from energy conservation and geometry related to pendulum motion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant applies the conservation of energy principle, equating kinetic energy and potential energy to find the height the bucket rises after the stop.
  • Another participant suggests using momentum conservation as an alternative approach to the problem.
  • A different participant employs trigonometric methods to calculate the angle of swing and the horizontal distance based on the height derived from the energy conservation calculation.
  • One participant questions whether the mass of the bucket is relevant to the problem, noting that no masses are provided in the statement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best method to solve the problem, as participants propose different approaches and question the relevance of certain parameters, such as mass.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the assumptions regarding the mass of the bucket or the implications of using different conservation principles. The relationship between the height increase and the resulting horizontal distance is also not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators interested in dynamics, energy conservation, and trigonometric applications in physics problems may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement



In an ore-mixing operation, a bucket full of ore is suspended from a traveling crane which moves along a stationary bridge. The crane is traveling at a speed of 3 m/s when it is brought to a sudden stop. Determine the maximum horizontal distance through which the bucket will swing. (arm length 10m)


Homework Equations



KE = 1/2mv2
PE = mgz
Etot = KE + PE + U

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the bucket is traveling with a speed of 3 m/s and has no height E1 = 1/2mv2 and at the highest point the bucket will travel v = 0 m/s E2 = mgz

Therefore since E1 = E2 (law of conservation of energy)
1/2mv2 = mgz
1/2v2 = gz
1/2(3 m/s)2 = (9.81 m/s2)z
z = 0.4587 m

I'm not even sure if I did this the way my professor taught us, I'm just using thermo energy balance equations to be honest. I don't know if there is a way to make a triangle and solve for the x component, or just a complete different way to do this.
 
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Another way you can try to conserve momentum
 
I used a triangle to find out that the 10 m arm length minus the 0.4587 m height increase equals a triangle with the vertical leg being 9.54 m and the hypotenuse of 10 m. I then did sin-1(9.54 m/10 m) = 72.55°

Then I did 10cos(72.55°) = 2.9987 m

I know this is the right answer but I don't know if there is another way to find this answer.
 
Are masses given ?
 
No, no masses are given
 

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