Dynamics: Time taken for Block A to slide on Block B

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for block A to slide 0.5 meters on block B, involving concepts of dynamics, friction, and forces acting on both blocks. Participants are working through a homework problem that includes equations of motion and forces.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed attempt at a solution, including equations for both blocks A and B, and expresses confusion over the calculated time.
  • Another participant points out potential issues with the signs of the frictional forces and the direction of acceleration for block B.
  • A participant questions whether the weight of block A affects block B, leading to clarification that while block A exerts forces on block B, its weight is not directly a force acting on block B.
  • Subsequent posts reflect attempts to adjust equations based on feedback, with one participant noting that their acceleration calculation results in zero, indicating a potential error in their approach.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the accelerations of blocks A and B, emphasizing the need to adjust signs in their equations based on the directions of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the direction of motion for block B, which is down the incline, but there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the correct application of signs in the equations and the influence of forces between the blocks. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to refine their approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the application of signs in the equations, the role of frictional forces, and the influence of block A's weight on block B. The discussion reflects a complex interplay of forces that has not yet reached a consensus.

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Homework Statement


Find the time it takes for block A to slide 0.5m on block B.
Mass A=10 kg
Mass B=35 kg
I included a screen shot from my online homework.

Homework Equations


FR=FNμk

The Attempt at a Solution


For Block A:
mAa=T-FRA-WAsin(30)
T=10a+68.67

For Block B:
FRC=(mAg+mBg)μBC
FRA=mAAB
mBa=T+FRC-FRA-WAsin(30)-WBsin(30)

After substituting in all my values:
35a=T-196.2
T=35a+196.2

Setting my Tensions equal to each other:
10a+68.67=35a+196.2

magnitude of a=5.1012

Finding time:
s-s0=0.5at2+v0t
s0=0
v0t=0

0.5=.5(5.1012)t2

t=0.443s

Which is wrong... I can't figure out what exactly I'm doing wrong.
 

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jdawg said:
For Block B:
FRC=(mAg+mBg)μBC
FRA=mAgμAB
mBa=T+FRC-FRA-WAsin(30)-WBsin(30)
(1) Careful with signs: What are the directions of those frictional forces on block B?
(2) Careful with signs: What is the direction of the acceleration of block B? (Since you use "a" as the magnitude of the acceleration, apply the signs correctly.)
(3) Why does the weight of A enter into an equation for B?
 
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Ok, I see what you mean with the friction forces.
Does the weight of block A not put a force on block B?
 
jdawg said:
Does the weight of block A not put a force on block B?
Certainly block A exerts both a normal force and a friction force on block B. But the weight of block A is a force that acts on block A, not B.
 
Ok! So my new equation for B is this:
mBa=T+mBAB+mBBC-mBgsin(30)

Plugging in values...
T=35a+68.67

I still think I messed up, when I set these equations equal to each other, my acceleration ends up being 0 :(
 
jdawg said:
Ok! So my new equation for B is this:
mBa=T+mBgμAB+mBgμBC-mBgsin(30)
Note my previous item (2): Take care with the sign of the acceleration. There is a constraint: If block A moves up the incline, how must block B move?
 
I agree that block B should move down the incline. I'm not sure which part of my equation you're saying needs the sign change.
 
jdawg said:
I agree that block B should move down the incline. I'm not sure which part of my equation you're saying needs the sign change.
Block A has acceleration of magnitude "a" going up the incline; Block B has the same magnitude of acceleration going down the incline. Adjust your signs accordingly. (Compare the direction of acceleration with the directions of the forces.)
 

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