E & M, E-potential and energy due to charged plate/ rod with infinite length

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential along the x-axis due to an infinite sheet of charge and a long wire with linear charge density. The sheet is positioned in the yz plane, and the wire intersects the x-axis, creating a scenario that requires understanding of electric potentials and charge distributions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the method of images as a potential approach, with some expressing uncertainty about how to apply it. Others mention using Gauss's law and electric potentials but feel limited in their understanding. There are attempts to derive expressions for electric fields and potentials, but confusion remains about integrating the initial potential into their calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and clarifying concepts related to electric potentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the method of images, but there is no clear consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or integrate the given potential.

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Participants have noted their familiarity with certain concepts but express uncertainty about applying them to this specific problem. There is also mention of the problem's complexity due to the non-grounded nature of the plane.

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An infinite sheet of charge that has a surface charge density of 25.9 nC/ m2 lies in the yz plane, passes through the origin, and is at a potential of 1.32 kV at the point y = 0, z = 0. A long wire having a linear charge density of 81.1 nC/ m lies parallel to the y-axis and intersects the x-axis at x = 3.15 m. Determine, the potential along the x-axis at x = 0.827 m between wire and sheet.

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I actually don't even know where to start to begin with so some hints would be appreciated
 
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Have you studied the method of images? Basically it says that if you have a plane at a particular potential, and a charge above that plane you can create a virtual charge (an image charge) below that plane to give the plane the potential it needs. Start off with finding the potential for the images. I, or someone else (or if you catch it), will get to the charge density later.
 
I have only learned about gauss's law, property of charged conductors, and Electric potentials ;/ which mostly just consist of equations that we can use
 
Well, method of images is just an extension of electric potentials. What if you treated the plane as a kind of charge mirror. You could create a potential that was
V=Vline1-Vline2+DCterm
where Vline1 is the potential from the first line charge, Vline2 is the potential of the second line charge, and the DC term is there because the problem wants to be annoying and not have the plane be grounded. The goal is for Vline1 and Vline2 (opposite in charge and location from Vline 1) to cancel their potentials at the (0,0) point. So, once you convince yourself of that geometry, work out what the potential is of 2 line charges (one of opposite charge) separated by 3.15m*2 would be.

Understand?
 
not quite
 
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Hmm, maybe try looking at the wikipedia page on method of images to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_image_charges

The first example on the wiki entry is a simple 1 charge and grounded plane problem. They make an opposite image charge to give the grounded plane a potential of 0 at z=0, where the plane is located. If you understand this problem, you can then imagine if we had a line of charges, then we need a line of images.
 
ok so i tried another approach
1. E=σ/2ε
2. V=σx/2ε (electric potential for the plane)
3.E=2κλ/(d-x)
4. V=-2λk ln(d-x) (electric potential for the rod)
x being the distance from the origin to the point between the two conductors

I found the potentials in reference to the point but... I'm not sure what i do with the initil potential given.
 
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