Earth Rotation: Angular Momentum Conservation?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in relation to Earth's rotation, particularly addressing seasonal variations and their implications on angular momentum. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical observations, and the effects of various factors on the rotation of the Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the conservation of angular momentum applies to Earth, questioning whether seasonal variations affect this conservation.
  • Others clarify that conservation of angular momentum holds for systems without net torques, noting that external torques on Earth are very small.
  • A participant discusses how lunisolar precession affects the orientation of Earth's rotation axis but does not change the rate of rotation.
  • It is mentioned that tidal friction alters Earth's rotation rate very slowly, with historical context provided about the length of day millions of years ago.
  • One participant explains that seasonal variations in length of day are due to the conservation of angular momentum, emphasizing that changes in mass distribution necessitate changes in angular velocity.
  • Another participant highlights the role of atmospheric and oceanic mass exchanges in contributing to seasonal variations in length of day.
  • Some participants reference external resources to explain seasonal variations in solar day, attributing these variations to Earth's elliptical orbit and axial tilt, while asserting that these do not affect angular momentum directly.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of "length of day" and the distinction between mean solar day and apparent solar day.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some agree on the principles of angular momentum conservation, others contest the implications of seasonal variations and their relationship to angular momentum, leading to unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex interactions between various components of the Earth system, and the effects of external torques and mass distribution changes are not fully resolved. The definitions of terms like "length of day" and "solar day" are also highlighted as important for understanding the discussion.

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the conservation of angular momentum applied to Earth as well right? but doesn't Earth's rotation go through seasonal variations, is the angular momentum still conserved?
 
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The conservation of angular momentum applies to any system with no net torques.
 
JHamm said:
The conservation of angular momentum applies to any system with no net torques.
Those external torques are however very small. The largest of these external torques causes the orientation of the Earth's rotation axis to precess over a 26,000 year period. This lunisolar precession changes the axis of rotation, but not the rate of rotation. Tidal friction does change the Earth's rotation rate, but this is extremely slow. Length of day was about 21.9 hours 620 million years ago. Over the course of a year, or even a century, this change in length of day is very small.

Tricks67 said:
the conservation of angular momentum applied to Earth as well right? but doesn't Earth's rotation go through seasonal variations, is the angular momentum still conserved?
After accounting for all known external torques, there is a very observable seasonal variation in length of day. So what explains this?

The answer is simple: Conservation of angular momentum. The name of the conservation law is "conservation of angular momentum", not "conservation of angular velocity". If the mass moves about with the seasons (and it does), conservation of angular momentum dictates that angular velocity must change as well.

Geophysicists who study the Earth's rotation divide the Earth as a whole into four primary components: The Earth's solid and liquid core, the mantle and crust, the oceans, and the atmosphere. Transfer of angular momentum between the core and mantle is a very slow process; it does not account for those seasonal variations in length of day. It is transfer of momentum between the mantle+crust, the oceans, and the atmosphere that accounts for these season variations.

The largest contributor is the atmosphere. Cold air is more dense than is warm air at the same pressure as the cold air. This means there are seasonal exchanges of atmospheric mass between the equatorial regions and the polar regions. Similar effects happen within the oceans. If the northern and southern hemispheres were symmetric these seasonal variations would make for a biannual variation in length of day. The uneven distribution of land versus ocean in the northern versus southern hemispheres makes the dominant effect of these variations annual rather than biannual.

Yet another contributor to variations in length of day is hydrological effects. There's a seasonal transfer of water between equatorial regions and northern regions in the form of snow and rain. Because the southern hemisphere is mostly ocean and because Antarctica is mostly desert, this seasonal transfer is much diminished in the south.
 
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Tricks67 said:
the conservation of angular momentum applied to Earth as well right? but doesn't Earth's rotation go through seasonal variations, is the angular momentum still conserved?

You should look at this wiki page for seasonal variations in the solar day, which roughly is the time for the sun to be directly overhead from one day to the next. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_time
The change in solar day from season to season can be explained by the orbit of the Earth not being an exact circle, but rather an ellipse; and the tilt of the Earth's axis of rotation.
The variation in solar day ( in seconds ) can accumulate throughout the season to give a variation of up to 16 minutes from the mean.

You can also check up on sidereal time which is time for an Earth rotation measured relative to the stars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time

This one has a little graph on the right showing the variation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time

None of these effects have anything to do with change in angular momentum of the Earth's rotation about its axis or revolution about the sun. As mentioned, in previous posts, that would require a torque, and /or changes to the distribution of mass of the earth.
 
256bits said:
The change in solar day from season to season can be explained by the orbit of the Earth not being an exact circle, but rather an ellipse; and the tilt of the Earth's axis of rotation.
It's best to qualify that "solar day" with the word "apparent." There's also a "mean solar day," which is nearly constant.

But that is a good thing to notice. Since Tricks67 asked about rotation, I assumed that the question was about seasonal variations in length of day (LOD). LOD is defined as one mean solar day (UT1) less 86,400 seconds. Here are a couple of plots of length of day from the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS, www.iers.org):

http://www.iers.org/SharedDocs/Bilder/EN/Variations__in__the__duration__of__the__day,property=default.png http://www.iers.org/SharedDocs/Bilder/EN/Excess__to__86400s__of__the__duration__of__the__D,property=default.gif
 
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