Eddy current losses in microelectric generators?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of eddy current losses in microelectric generators, particularly in the context of small driving forces and their effect on the rotational velocity of the rotor. Participants explore theoretical considerations regarding the behavior of these generators, including the implications of magnetic fields and energy conversion efficiency.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether eddy current losses can significantly alter the rotor's rotational velocity in microscale electric generators, given that rotation is often treated as constant in such analyses.
  • Another participant suggests that eddy current losses do not vary with the magnitude of currents, contrasting this with hysteresis losses, which do change.
  • A participant elaborates on the concept of magnetic "friction" generated by the opposing magnetic field and its potential impact on slowing down the generator, complicating calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about losses in the rectification of output current from the microgenerator, prompting inquiries about the specific voltages and currents involved.
  • One participant expresses that they are still in the theoretical phase of their project, seeking to determine the generator's design and the size of the driving force, while considering a brushless arrangement to minimize friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of eddy current losses or the best approach to energy conversion in microelectric generators. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the impact of these losses on generator performance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available data, such as specific voltages and currents, and the theoretical nature of the exercise. There are also unresolved considerations regarding the design and operational parameters of the microgenerator.

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For a microscale electric generator (where the driving force is a fraction of a Newton), can losses from eddy currents be significant enough to noticeably alter the rotational velocity of the rotor? Because my understanding is that the rotation is basically taken as a constant when examining the behavior of electric generators.
 
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More details would be helpful. But an initial answer would be that eddy current losses (as a percentage) do not change with the magnitude of the currents, while hysteresis losses do.
 
berkeman said:
More details would be helpful. But an initial answer would be that eddy current losses (as a percentage) do not change with the magnitude of the currents, while hysteresis losses do.

For more details, I was considering a very small electric generator with also a very small driving force. I know that obviously an electric current would be induced from the rotation, which in turn would generate a magnetic field that would oppose the motion. When doing calculations involving generators, I've always taken the rotational velocity as a constant (which keeps calculations simple). But I was wondering if the magnetic "friction" from the opposing field would be strong enough to significantly slow down the generator, thus making calculations trickier.
 
I think a bigger issue for you would be the losses in the rectification of the output current from your microgenerator. What voltages and currents are you looking at? Can you say more about what the microgenerator looks like? Maybe there is a better way to convert the small input mechanical power to stored electrical energy...
 
berkeman said:
I think a bigger issue for you would be the losses in the rectification of the output current from your microgenerator. What voltages and currents are you looking at? Can you say more about what the microgenerator looks like? Maybe there is a better way to convert the small input mechanical power to stored electrical energy...

I don't have any info for voltages or currents yet, since it's still a theoretical exercise (but I'm trying to get to the point where I can determine voltages and currents). As such, I'm determining what the generator would look like, particularly since I'm also trying to determine the exact size of the driving force (but that's a separate topic). I can say that I was looking at trying to utilize a brushless arrangement, so as to minimize friction, and thus get every erg that I can from it. Hence why I was wondering about eddy current losses.
 

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