Effect of gravity on atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the question of why gravity does not pull the atmosphere completely down to the Earth's surface. It explores concepts related to atmospheric pressure, equilibrium between gravitational forces and air pressure, and the behavior of air molecules in the atmosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that gravity pulls the atmosphere down, but it reaches an equilibrium where the atmospheric pressure supports the weight of the air above it.
  • Another participant provides a calculation to estimate the total mass of the atmosphere, using the Earth's radius and gravitational acceleration.
  • Some participants express the idea that gravity and the upward push of air create a balance, with one stating that gravity does indeed hold the atmosphere down.
  • There is a perspective that if the Earth were flat, the air would spread out, but the round shape of the Earth allows air to "meet at the other end" and maintain its position.
  • One participant discusses the high-speed movement of air molecules, suggesting that their kinetic energy allows them to temporarily rise, while also noting the role of temperature and pressure in air movement, including phenomena like tornadoes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dynamics of gravity and atmospheric pressure, with some asserting that gravity holds the atmosphere while others emphasize the role of equilibrium and air movement. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the behavior of air molecules and the effects of temperature and pressure that are not fully explored. The discussion also relies on specific definitions of atmospheric pressure and gravitational effects that may not be universally agreed upon.

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My ten year old asked the following question - why doesn't gravity pull the atmosphere all the way down to the surface of the earth?
 
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Have you ever used an air mattress? Your laying down on an air mattress compresses the gas in the mattress somewhat, just enough to support your weight. No part of your body is touching the ground if the mattress is sufficiently inflated. Similarly, gravity does pull the atmosphere down toward the surface of the Earth, just enough to support the weight of all of the air above it.

That atmospheric pressure at sea level is 1 atmosphere or 101.325 kilopascal can be used to estimate the weight and thus the mass of the atmosphere. The Earth's equatorial radius is 6378.1 km while its polar radius is 6356.8 km. Using
  • The average of these two numbers, 6367.4 km, as an estimate of the Earth's mean radius
  • The standard formula for the surface area of a sphere, A=4\pi r^2
  • The mean gravitational acceleration at sea level is g=9.80665 m/s2

W_{\text{atmos}} \approx \frac{4\pi\,(6367.4\,\text{km})^2\cdot 101.325\,\text{kPa}} {9.80665\,\text{m}/\text{s}^2} = 5.26\cdot 10^{18}\,\text{kg}

This is a simple yet fairly accurate estimate of the total mass of the atmosphere.
 
I like to think of it like this: Gravity pulls the air down, but the air pushes back up! And so the two reach a point of equilibrium.
 
Well the answer is It Does.

The Earth gravity does pull the atmosphere down to the surface, and holds it.
 
If the Earth was flat, all the air would indeed fall and spread all over. But since it is round, air "meets at the other end" and holds itself up.

The density of air is greater at the surface. It is "squashed up" by the air above.
 
Air molecules move at extremely high speeds which allow them to temporarily move away from the ground. As they move up some of the kinetic energy (i.e., heat) is lost causing them to slow down, but they are also farther from the center of the Earth so the gravitational attraction is lower allowing them to stay up longer. the push of warmed air from the ground helps hold up the colder air until a downdraft allows the cold air to fall. When cold air falls it can create a vacuum which draws up warmed air. In extreme cases this process helps produce tornadoes.
 

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