Effect on angular frequency in a sping mass system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of various factors on the angular frequency of a spring-mass system, exploring theoretical implications and relationships among mass, amplitude of vibration, spring stiffness, and phase lag. Participants are attempting to clarify their understanding before tackling related questions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that increasing mass would lead to an increased angular frequency, while others argue that it actually lowers the angular frequency based on the formula ω = √(k/m).
  • There is a claim that amplitude of vibration would increase angular frequency, but this is contested with the assertion that angular frequency is independent of amplitude.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass and spring stiffness, suggesting that increasing mass could affect spring stiffness, although this is not universally accepted.
  • The phase lag is mentioned in relation to angular frequency, with some suggesting it influences the frequency while others clarify that it does not affect angular frequency directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the effects of mass on angular frequency and the relationship between amplitude and angular frequency. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific formulas and principles, but there are indications of missing assumptions and potential misunderstandings regarding the relationships among the discussed variables.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the dynamics of spring-mass systems, particularly those studying oscillatory motion in physics or engineering contexts.

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i am trying to work this out from a very confusing book what would the effect on angular frequency be by

increasing mass
increasing amplitude of vibration
increasing spring stiffness
increasing phase lag

need to get this in my head before attemping to work out questions
 
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DR1 said:
i am trying to work this out from a very confusing book what would the effect on angular frequency be by

increasing mass
increasing amplitude of vibration
increasing spring stiffness
increasing phase lag

need to get this in my head before attemping to work out questions

What do you think the effects would be?
 
an increased mass would lead to an increased angular frequency
amplitude of vibration would again increase as its multiplied through w
it would have no effect on spring stiffness as i don't see any formule that use both parts but then having said that if it increases the mass that would have an effect on the sping stiffness
the phase lag would increase w as (wt+0) as such they are linked together

you don't have to tell me the answers even pointing me in the right direction would help
 
DR1 said:
an increased mass would lead to an increased angular frequency.
Consider that for the spring mass oscillator [tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex].This tells you that the only factors that affect the natural angular frequency is determined by the physical properties of the system.So increasing the mass actually lowers the angular frequency.This is because a more massive object is harder to accelerate(second law).
DR1 said:
amplitude of vibration would again increase as its multiplied through w
No the angular frequency is independent of amplitude. .What do you mean by"multiplied through w"
DR1 said:
it would have no effect on spring stiffness as i don't see any formule that use both parts but then having said that if it increases the mass that would have an effect on the sping stiffness
the phase lag would increase w as (wt+0) as such they are linked together
Again look at this [tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex] angular frequency is determined ONLY by m and k in SHM. A stiffer spring is capable of applying more force on the mass remember F=-kx(again the second law). The phase only tells you at what angle your rotating vector is at t=0 so it does not effect angular frequency
 
Thankyou very much for your assistance it all makes a lot more sense when its all written down in one place not over a whole book.
 

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