Effects of rewinding ind. motors with higher resistance that the initial?

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The discussion centers on the effects of rewinding induction motors with higher resistance than the original specifications, particularly focusing on a case where a 3-phase induction motor experienced failure shortly after being rewound. Participants explore potential causes for the motor's failure and the implications of increased resistance in the windings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the motor burnt out after being rewound with higher resistance per phase, questioning the reasons behind this failure.
  • Another participant suggests that infantile mortality due to shorted windings could be a factor and questions the large disparity in resistance values among the phases.
  • A follow-up comment speculates that if there were no shorted windings, the motor might not have burned out despite the higher resistance, prompting a discussion on the effects of increased resistance.
  • One participant proposes that the higher resistance acts like an additional resistor in series, which could indicate lower motor speed but does not inherently cause the motor to burn.
  • Another participant asserts that increased resistance can lead to higher losses and unbalanced core fluxes, potentially causing motor failure if cooling systems are not modified accordingly.
  • A participant lists several potential sources for the imbalance in resistance, including mis-wiring, variations in winding length, turns count variation, shorted turns, and mismatched wire gauge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes of the motor's failure and the implications of increased resistance, indicating that multiple competing explanations remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the specific causes of the motor's failure, the effects of increased resistance, and the potential for various wiring or construction issues contributing to the observed problems.

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I wonder where I work, 3-phase ind. motor with 80 ohms resistance per phase from the manufacturer was re winded and the new resistance per phase was 89 / 90 / 94 Ohms in the 3 phases. when the motor was put back, it burnt within few hour, why was this?
 
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Infantile mortality due to shorted winding?

Why the large disparity in resistance? Did someone loose count?
 
Phrak said:
Infantile mortality due to shorted winding?

Why the large disparity in resistance? Did someone loose count?

So does it mean that had it been there was no short winding the motor couldn't burn although with high resistance? if so what are the effects of such higher resistance?
 
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We can think about the higher resistance in the winding as an extra resistor in series with the initial windings, so the same concept as using a rheostat in starting induction motors, thus the high resistance indicates a low motor speed, but it does not cause to burn the motor.
 
It is very clear, Increasing of Ri2 losses and consequent unbalance core fluxes (negative sequence rotary field) due to phases emf unbalancing without any cooling system modification can be caused motor burning.

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There are several souces for an inbalanced reistance that I can think of:

1) Mis-wired phases
2) Variations in wind length, e.g.: An outer winding is longer than an inner winding
3) Turns count variation
4) Shorted turns
5) Wire gauge doesn't match
 

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