Einstein Refrigeration: Constructing the System with Limited Knowledge

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The discussion revolves around the construction of an Einstein refrigeration system, particularly focusing on the interactions between different gases involved in the process. Participants explore concepts related to the counter flow of gases, the role of butane and ammonia vapors, and the terminology used in refrigeration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in constructing the Einstein refrigeration system and suggests that butane vapor may electrostatically combine with ammonia vapor.
  • Another participant questions the terminology used, specifically the reference to butane as "ROO" and seeks clarification on refrigerant codes like R600.
  • A participant explains that butane is referred to as R600A in the refrigeration trade and acknowledges typos in previous references.
  • There is a suggestion that a participant with expertise in thermodynamics, @Chestermiller, might provide assistance regarding refrigeration mechanisms.
  • Another participant proposes that @russ_watters could also offer help in understanding the topic.
  • A question is raised about the meaning of butane vapor combining electrostatically with ammonia vapor and its relation to a diagram involving CO2 and ammonia.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and questions regarding the terminology and mechanisms involved in the refrigeration system. No consensus has been reached on the specifics of the gas interactions or the terminology used.

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Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions behind the electrostatic combination of gases, and there are unresolved questions about the diagrams referenced in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in refrigeration systems, thermodynamics, and the specific interactions of gases in such systems may find this discussion relevant.

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My question is generated by a an unsuccessful attempt to construct the einstein system with limited knowledge.

The first part the counter flow of different gasses (See attachment No1)

The main part is the simplified Einstein is what prevents counter flow in this system. I think that perhaps Butane vapour electrostatic-ally combines with NH3 vapour or visa versa.

Since this is my first entry to the Physics Forum I apologize any errors that I have made in post and thank you for your patience.
 

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:welcome:One simple question=Why are you calling butane ROO? Butane has no oxygen atoms. Or is it ## R00## ? Also what is ## R600 ##?
 
In the refrigeration trade all refrigerants are referred to by there refrigerant code, Butane is coded with R600A. I didn't bother with the subset as we don't use it in every day language. We don't bother to use the precursor ie R407a is 407 etc. Sorry about that. Any other reference I made to it were typos which I'm very good at sorry.
 
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Thanks. This topic is completely new to me. Perhaps @Chestermiller can help. His expertise is thermodynamics, but he also might have some knowledge of refrigeration mechanisms.
 
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What does butane vapor combining electrostaticly with ammonia vapor mean? Does this somehow refer to the diagram of CO2 and ammonia in the first diagram with the valve? What is supposed to be happening there?
 

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