Elastic Collision: Solving Components of the Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing an elastic collision, specifically focusing on the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy. Participants are discussing how to approach the problem, which requires breaking down the motion into components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to split the momentum equation into scalar components and consider different reference frames. Some suggest using a triangle for velocity components instead of traditional NS/EW components.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants offering guidance on how to set up the equations. The original poster has attempted to formulate equations based on their understanding, and further input is awaited.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion, especially regarding the choice of reference frames and component analysis. The original poster mentions their educational level, indicating they are in grade 12.

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1. Homework Statement
The problem is in the picture(attached)


2. Homework Equations
I know we have to use
m1v1 + m2v2 = m1v1' + m2v2'
(1/2)m1v1^2 + (1/2)m2v2^2 = (1/2)m1v1'^2 + (1/2)m2v2'^2

3. The Attempt at a Solution
All I know is that it needs to be split up into components.
Please help me out.
 

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Welcome to PF!

Welcome to PF! :smile:

(please type the question in future … it's much easier to read than having to look at a picture in a separate window)

(and try using the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box :wink:)
harisf said:
I know we have to use
m1v1 + m2v2 = m1v1' + m2v2'
(1/2)m1v1^2 + (1/2)m2v2^2 = (1/2)m1v1'^2 + (1/2)m2v2'^2

All I know is that it needs to be split up into components.

Yes, the first equation is a vector equations, and needs to be split up into two scalar equations.

(You could choose West and North for the component directions, for example.)

So … show us what you get. :smile:
 
Health Warning::smile:

This problem can get very messy unless you translate it into
the reference frame in which the c of m is stationary.

David
 
davieddy said:
Health Warning::smile:

This problem can get very messy unless you translate it into
the reference frame in which the c of m is stationary.

David

No, you should be able to do it in the reference frame given.
 
Thanks guys, and yes I will try this question out. I got some help today from a friend, he said that there was no need for NS/EW components. He told me to make a triangle. So therefore the resulting velocity after the collision of the 2amu mass would be v1'cos10.

2(2km/s) + 1(0m/s) = 2(v1'cos10) + v2'
4 - 2v1'cos10 = v2' (this will be equation one)

We know kinetic energy is conserved:
2(2km/s)2 + 1(0m/s)2 = 2(v1'cos10)2 + v2'2
8 - 2(v1'cos10)2 = v2'2 (our second equation)

Then sub in equations into each other for v2'.
I have to go for now but I will get back to you guys soon on the problem. Please keep in mind that I am only in grade 12:confused:. Thanks again.
 

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