Electric Bicycle with no Battery

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The discussion explores the feasibility of an electric bicycle that generates power directly from pedaling without a battery, using a generator to drive a wheel motor. Participants note that while this system could eliminate gears and chains, it may not be as efficient as traditional chain drives, with overall efficiency estimated between 55% and 70%. Concerns are raised about performance on steep hills, where the system might struggle under load, making pedaling difficult. The consensus suggests that incorporating a battery could enhance flexibility and efficiency, especially when pedaling becomes challenging. Overall, while the concept is intriguing, it may not provide significant advantages over conventional designs.
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Hello, I am curious if this has been done, or would even be worthwhile.

The idea would be to use a generator at the pedal and conduct the electricity directly to a wheel motor with no power storage. This would eliminate gears and a chain. Does anyone know what the approximate efficiency of such a system would be?

How would this drive system behave when going up a steep hill? Would it act as an automatic gear reducer and vice versa when going downhill?
 
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I've seen similar experiments where students pedal on a bike to drive various electrical appliances and as more are added to the circuit it become difficult if not impossible to pedal because of the load.



Here's a DIY project on it:



Its cool but not as efficient as a straight chain drive. You can add a battery into the mix for more flexibility when you get tired of pedaling and that is the primary advantage over a straight chain drive.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Its cool but not as efficient as a straight chain drive.
absolutely. It's no surprise that the basics of the bicycle haven't changed since they introduced chain drive. With the fantastic number of ratios available on a bike, an infinitely variable gearing is hardly worth considering.
 
I would anticipate the generator and motor being 80-90% efficient at best. You would also need some sort of DC-DC converter/regulator/optimiser to replicate the effect of gears. That might be 90% efficient at best? So overall somewhere between say 55% and 70% overall? Your mileage may vary.
 
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