Electric Dipole Moment: Meaning & Significance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the physical meaning and significance of the electric dipole moment, particularly in relation to its behavior in electric fields. Participants explore both conceptual and technical aspects of the dipole moment, including its implications for torque experienced by dipoles in electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a physical interpretation of the electric dipole moment beyond the mathematical equation, seeking a deeper understanding of its significance.
  • Another participant states that an electric dipole experiences torque when placed in an electric field.
  • A participant discusses the moment of inertia, drawing a parallel to the electric dipole moment by explaining it as a measurement related to the distance between charges and the magnitude of one charge, linking it to torque experienced in an electric field.
  • One participant questions whether the electric dipole moment is merely a collection of symbols, similar to how other physical concepts are sometimes treated in education.
  • Another participant suggests that the electric dipole moment relates to the dipole's capacity to experience torque in an electric field, emphasizing the practical implications of its magnitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of the electric dipole moment and its implications, with some agreeing on its relation to torque while others question its conceptual clarity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a unified understanding of its physical meaning.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenge of articulating physical meanings behind mathematical representations, indicating a potential limitation in understanding the concept without further exploration of its implications.

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What is the physical meaning of electri dipole moment? What does it tell us about the dipole?
Please don't just throw away mathematical equation (p=qd r_hat); help me to get its physical sense!
 
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What happens when you put an electric dipole in an electric field?
 
it experiences torque.
 
Do you know what the physical meaning of the moment of inertia is? I've found that questions like this in a Physics class will almost always be answered with, "It's a collection of symbols we see often enough to give it a special name."

That being said, it's a measurement of the distance between the positive and negative charges in an electric dipole for a simple two charge dipole multiplied by the magnitude of one of the charges. That's a pretty physical meaning for it. It shows up in the math when we ask questions like what kind of Torque does the dipole experience when placed in an electric field. When we crunch the numbers we keep seeing a charge multiplied by a distance and we call it a 'moment' for convenience, because that's what we called it the last time we saw it ; )
 
Kabbotta said:
Do you know what the physical meaning of the moment of inertia is? I've found that questions like this in a Physics class will almost always be answered with, "It's a collection of symbols we see often enough to give it a special name."

That being said, it's a measurement of the distance between the positive and negative charges in an electric dipole for a simple two charge dipole multiplied by the magnitude of one of the charges. That's a pretty physical meaning for it. It shows up in the math when we ask questions like what kind of Torque does the dipole experience when placed in an electric field. When we crunch the numbers we keep seeing a charge multiplied by a distance and we call it a 'moment' for convenience, because that's what we called it the last time we saw it ; )

For example ,if u ask what is energy,we can say like its capacity of doing work!for force we can experience it.Like them what does electric dipole moment signify ?? U mean that its just collection of symbols named as electric dipole moment?o_0
 
Energy is a great example, Feynman used to describe it as a convenient check list to keep track of the parts of a system as they interact. Saying it is related to the capacity to do work isn't anymore physical than saying the electric dipole moment is related to the dipole's capacity to experience a torque in an electric field.
 
Inhsdehkc said:
it experiences torque.

OK! So the dipole moment, in practical terms, quantifies the tendency of an object to experience a torque when placed in an electric field. The larger the dipole moment, the larger the torque. (keeping the orientation the same, of course)
 
Thanks!
 

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