Electric field at a point on the perpendicular bisector of a finite line charge

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The problem involves calculating the electric field at a point on the perpendicular bisector of a finite line charge with a given linear charge density. The charge extends from x = 0 to x = 10m, and the point of interest is located at y = 12m.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the placement of the point of interest and the symmetry of the electric field components. There are attempts to express the electric field in terms of integrals, with some questioning the treatment of variables such as r and θ as they vary with x.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dependence of r and θ on x, and there is an exploration of how to correctly set up the integral for the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating over a finite line charge and are addressing the implications of using infinitesimal segments of charge. There is a focus on ensuring that the expressions for r and θ are appropriately defined in relation to the variable x.

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Homework Statement


A uniform line charge of linear charge density [tex]\lambda[/tex] = 5.00 nC/m extends from x = 0 to x = 10m. The magnitude of the electric field at the point y = 12m on the perpendicular bisector of the finite line charge is?


Homework Equations


E = [tex]\int[/tex]dE = [tex]\int[/tex]k(dq) / r2
Ex = [tex]\int[/tex]k(dq)cos[tex]\theta[/tex] / r2
Ey = [tex]\int[/tex]k(dq)sin[tex]\theta[/tex] / r2
dq = [tex]\lambda[/tex](dx)

The Attempt at a Solution


The perpendicular bisector of the finite line charge occurs at x =5m. I have placed a point (P) at the coordinates on the xy plane at P = (5, 12). With P at this point, the radius from (0, 0) to P is:
r = [tex]\sqrt{(5^2) + (12^2)}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{169}[/tex] = 13

If 'b' is the side of the Pythagorean triple equal to 12m then sin[tex]\theta[/tex] = b / r = 12 / 13

With point P bisecting the finite line charge along the x-axis from 0 to 10m I'm arguing by symmetry that Ex = 0, thus there is only a y-component to the electric field.

I'm new to LaTeX and the forums and can't quite seem to get the integration limits to appear properly so the integral is from 0 to 5.

Ey = [tex]\int[/tex]k(dq)sin[tex]\theta[/tex] / r2
Ey = [tex]\int[/tex]k([tex]\lambda[/tex]dx) / r2
Ey = [tex]\int[/tex]k([tex]\lambda[/tex]dx)(12/13) / (132)
Ey = k[tex]\lambda(12/13) / (13<sup>2</sup>) *[/tex][tex]\int[/tex]dx
Ey = 12k[tex]\lambda[/tex] / (133) * [5 - 0]
Ey = (9 x 109)(5 x 10-9)(12 * 5) / (133)
Ey = 1.23 N/C

Using the idea of symmetry again, E = 2 * Ey
E = 2 * (1.23 N/C)
E = 2.46 N/C


Is my work/thought process and ultimately answer correct?
 
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You're getting there, but remember that both r and θ change as x varies. You can't just use their values for when x=0.
 
So I shouldn't compute a value for sin[tex]\theta[/tex] and instead leave it in terms of b and r (sin[tex]\theta[/tex] = b / r = 12 / r)?

Then I have (integral from x=0 to x=5 again):
Ey = [tex]\int[/tex] k(dq)sin[tex]\theta[/tex] / r3
...
Ey = 12k[tex]\lambda[/tex] / r3 * [tex]\int[/tex]dx
...
Ey = 60k[tex]\lambda[/tex] / r3

Then E = 2 * Ey
E = 120k[tex]\lambda[/tex] / r3

I feel like I'm missing something here...
 
Let's back up a bit. Say you're looking at the segment of charge between x and x+dx. What is its distance r to the point (5,12) and what is sin θ?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "segment of charge between x and x+dx". Do you mean a segment of charge, say at x = 3m?

This new side to the triangle formed by points (3, 0), (5, 0), and (5, 12) would then be a = 5 - x where x is any value along the x-axis from 0 to 5.

I'm using theta to be the angle between the x-axis and the hypotenuse of this triangle. Wouldn't sin [tex]\theta[/tex] remain to be 12 / r? Should I be using cosine instead?
 
debeloglava said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "segment of charge between x and x+dx". Do you mean a segment of charge, say at x = 3m?
There's zero charge at x=3 m because a point has zero size. The interval [x, x+dx], on the other hand, has a length dx, which, while infinitesimally small, is not 0. This is what you're doing when you write dq=λ dx.
This new side to the triangle formed by points (3, 0), (5, 0), and (5, 12) would then be a = 5 - x where x is any value along the x-axis from 0 to 5.
Yes, so you need an expression for r, which will depend on x. Since it depends on x, you won't be able to just pull it out of the integral like you did in your previous attempts.
I'm using theta to be the angle between the x-axis and the hypotenuse of this triangle. Wouldn't sin [tex]\theta[/tex] remain to be 12 / r? Should I be using cosine instead?
Sorry, you had already gotten sin θ correctly. I missed it when I looked over your posts too quickly.
 

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