Electric field due to plane of charge

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's law to determine the electric field due to a plane of charge, particularly in the context of a conducting surface. Participants explore the conditions under which different equations for electric field strength, E=σ/2ϵ0 and E=σ/ϵ0, can be applied, and the implications of the geometry of the Gaussian surface used in calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the Gaussian surface is considered "A" instead of "2A" and whether this is related to the thickness of the sheet.
  • Others clarify that the equation E=σ/2ϵ0 is typically used for a conducting surface with no charge on the other side, while E=σ/ϵ0 may apply under different conditions.
  • A participant suggests that the illustration may imply a charged, hollow conductor, leading to zero electric field inside and flux only through one face of the pill-box.
  • Another participant argues that the electrostatic field within a conductor is zero, thus there is no flux through the face within the conducting material.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the illustration's clarity regarding the pill-box's termination, suggesting it could represent a conducting sheet with ends on either side.
  • One participant emphasizes that Gauss's law is valid for any closed surface and that the choice of the pill-box can simplify calculations by taking advantage of known electric field conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express differing views on the interpretation of the Gaussian surface and the applicability of the equations for electric field strength. There is no consensus on the implications of the illustration or the conditions under which the equations should be applied.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the ambiguity in the illustration regarding the pill-box's ends and the assumptions about the nature of the conducting surface. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the conditions under which different equations for electric field strength are valid.

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Why the gaussian surface is "A" instead of "2A" on the right-hand side?(the photo attached below)
Due to the thickness of the sheet?

I usually find that E=σ/2ϵ0 is being frequently used but we hardly use E=σ/ϵ0.
When can I directly apply the equation E=σ/ϵ0 ?
 

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The one on the right is for a conducting surface. There's no charge on the other side of the surface, so there's no factor of 1/2.
kelvin56484984 said:
Why the gaussian surface is "A" instead of "2A" on the right-hand side?(the photo attached below)
Due to the thickness of the sheet?

I usually find that E=σ/2ϵ0 is being frequently used but we hardly use E=σ/ϵ0.
When can I directly apply the equation E=σ/ϵ0 ?
 
I initially suspected that the RHS of the figure was just considering the flux through part of the surface, but then I saw they used the integral notation for a closed surface (meaning you have to consider both sides of the pill-box). Perhaps this shape is meant represent some charged, hollow conductor--therefore there should be no electric field inside and you only have flux through one face of the pill-box.
 
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It need not be a hollow conductor. The electrostatic field within the body of a conductor is zero. So there is no field and no flux through the face within the conducting material.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
It need not be a hollow conductor. The electrostatic field within the body of a conductor is zero. So there is no field and no flux through the face within the conducting material.

Yes, I agree. But this assumes that the pill-box terminates within the conductor itself. It could be possible that given illustration represents a conducting sheet, and the pill-box has ends on either side. Then I believe the equation would hold only if the sheet were a closed surface (I think that reasoning is correct). I think the illustration is a little unclear.
 
Certainly, the illustration does not clearly show where the pill box ends, but that does not change the result. The pill box is your choice. In principle, Gauss's law is valid for any closed (imaginary) surface, and the pill box is one such surface. By a judicious choice of this Gaussian surface, you can easily calculate the electric field, and in this case, it is advantageous to take one end of the pill box inside the material, because you already know that the electric field is zero there. The shape of the conductor itself does not matter. Whether it is a sheet or not, the pill box argument will be correct, by taking a suitably small cross section area.
I am not sure what you mean by the sheet being a closed surface. If you have a conducting sheet, you can still take one end of the pill box inside the conductor, and the result is still the same.
 

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