Electric field in water, using voltage, without electrolysis

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of creating an electric field in water using electrodes with a voltage difference of 10-15V, while avoiding electrolysis or arcing. The context includes practical applications and experimental setups, particularly in salty water environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of generating an electric field in water without electrolysis, suggesting the use of insulated electrodes.
  • Another participant recalls using an electric field mapping apparatus in a laboratory setting, noting the formation of small bubbles at the electrodes, which they associate with electrolysis.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes the importance of avoiding bubble formation, which is linked to electrolysis, and seeks alternatives to achieve the desired electric field.
  • A participant mentions that colleagues conducted measurements on oil pipes underwater, concluding that a much lower voltage (around 0.2V) was necessary in that specific salty water context.
  • Another contribution states that electrolysis does not occur below 1.7V, but above that threshold, electrolysis will happen if current flows.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage levels required to avoid electrolysis, with some suggesting that higher voltages lead to electrolysis while others reference practical experiences that indicate lower voltages may be necessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal conditions to create an electric field without electrolysis.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the specific conditions under which electrolysis occurs, including the dependence on water salinity and electrode insulation. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or experimental parameters necessary to achieve the desired outcome.

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Hi!

Can we create electric field in water, using electrodes (say 10-15V of voltage difference), without having electrolysis or arc in water? (the water can be salty). I just read that insulated electrodes can be used. but I'm not sure.

PS: Sorry if the question sounds silly. My field of study is so far from these topics :)

Thank you :)
 
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Yes. In an introductory laboratory course, many years ago, I used an electric field mapping apparatus which consisted of a shallow tray of water with electrodes of various shapes. I don't remember what the voltage was. As I recall, we did have some small bubbles forming at the electrodes, but they didn't cause any problems.
 
@jtbell Thank you for your reply. Actually those small bubbles matter. I'd like to know if there is a way to have the field without having the bubbles (which are the result of electrolysis).
 
Any suggestion? :)
 
sina_mech said:
Can we create electric field in water, using electrodes (say 10-15V of voltage difference), without having electrolysis or arc in water?
Some colleagues of mine did extensive measurements on oil pipes under water, and they concluded that the voltage had to be very low. I think it was on the order of 0.2V.

Of course, this was in the North Sea. Very salty water.
 
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Electrolysis does not occur if the voltage is less than 1.7 V.. Above that as long as there is some current flowing you will get electrolysis.
 
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