Electric Field & it's components

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field components at a point due to two point charges, Q1 and Q2, with given magnitudes and positions. Participants are trying to determine the x-component of the electric field at the origin based on the provided values and equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the formula kq/r^2 to find the electric field magnitudes for both charges. There is confusion regarding the direction vectors for the forces, particularly for Q1, and how to correctly combine the results. Questions arise about the signs of the calculated electric fields and the implications of charge polarity on the direction of the electric field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and are seeking clarification on their reasoning, particularly regarding the direction of the electric field due to Q1. There is an ongoing exploration of the effects of charge signs on the resulting electric field direction, with some guidance being offered about the nature of electric fields from positive and negative charges.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the amount of information they can share or the methods they can use. There is a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than simply arriving at a numerical answer.

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Homework Statement



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Two point charges, Q1 = -4.0 μC and Q2 = +3.0 μC, are placed as shown. In Figure 17.14b, the x-component of the electric field, at the origin O, is closest to:
A) -3000 N/C
B) 3800 N/C
C) 9800 N/C
D) -3800 N/C
E) -9800 N/C


Homework Equations



kq/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



i understand how to get the magnitude of both forces of Q1 and Q2 by using kq/r^2
i found the hypotenuse to use as the length which is 2.57m .
what I'm lost on is the direction vectors that i need multiply the forces by.

in relation to Q2 i have found the inverse tangent and the angle comes out to be about 33. but when i multiply it by the force i get and get the difference with the force of Q1 it's not right.

any help is much appreciated, this one problem has been giving me trouble for quite some time!
 
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Don't describe your calculation. Show it. If you don't show us your calculation how do expect us to find what's wrong with it?
 
sorry here it is.
kq/r^2

Q1:
(9 x 10^9) x (-4 x 10^-6) / (2.3^2) = -6810 N/C

Q2:
(9 x 10^9) x (3 x 10^-6) / (2.75^2) = 3570.3 N/C
[the 2.75 distance I'm using is found - hypotenuse]

i'm unsure about the direction vector for Q1 since it is just on the x-axis ?
direction of vector for Q2:
atan(1.5/2/3) = 33.11 degrees
so 3570cos(33.11) = 2990 N/C

-6810 - 2990= -9800 N/C

the right answer is 3800 but I'm not sure why?
 
dauto said:
Don't describe your calculation. Show it. If you don't show us your calculation how do expect us to find what's wrong with it?

sorry! I'm new to this!
 
victorializ said:
sorry here it is.
kq/r^2

Q1:
(9 x 10^9) x (-4 x 10^-6) / (2.3^2) = -6810 N/C

Q2:
(9 x 10^9) x (3 x 10^-6) / (2.75^2) = 3570.3 N/C
[the 2.75 distance I'm using is found - hypotenuse]

i'm unsure about the direction vector for Q1 since it is just on the x-axis ?
direction of vector for Q2:
atan(1.5/2/3) = 33.11 degrees
so 3570cos(33.11) = 2990 N/C

-6810 - 2990= -9800 N/C

the right answer is 3800 but I'm not sure why?

why -6810 in the last line? why not + 6810? After all Q1 is negative isn't it?
 
dauto said:
why -6810 in the last line? why not + 6810? After all Q1 is negative isn't it?

well with the calculations you get the -6810 . why would you change it; Q1 is to the right of the origin so wouldn't it just stay the same?
 
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victorializ said:
but isn't Q1 positive since its to the right of the origin?
Q1 is negative, as given. The x displacement of the origin from Q1 is negative. The sign of the field comes from the product of the two, so is positive.
Just think about which way a positive test charge at the origin would be affected by Q1. It would be attracted to the right, yes?
 
haruspex said:
Q1 is negative, as given. The x displacement of the origin from Q1 is negative. The sign of the field comes from the product of the two, so is positive.
Just think about which way a positive test charge at the origin would be affected by Q1. It would be attracted to the right, yes?

oh yeah that makes much more sense, thank you!
 

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