Electric Field of a Toroid carrying a changing current I = kt on axis

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field of a toroid with a time-varying current using the relevant equations derived from the Helmholtz Theorem. The initial calculations led to a curl of zero, which caused confusion regarding the validity of the derived electric field expression. A participant suggested an alternative approach using a formula from Griffiths, which yielded the correct answer through simplifying assumptions. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the Helmholtz Theorem in electromagnetic theory. Ultimately, the participant expressed a desire to become more familiar with the theorem while confirming the validity of their solution.
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Homework Statement
A toroidal coil has a rectangular cross section, with inner radius ##a##, outer radius ##a+w##, and height ##h##. It carries a total of ##N## tightly wound turns, and the current is increasing at a constant rate (##\frac{dI}{dt} = kt##). If ##w## and ##h## are both much less than ##a##, find the electric field at point ##z## above the center of the toroidal. [Hint: Exploit the analogy between Faraday fields and magnetostatic fields, and refer to Example 5.6 (In Griffiths)]
Relevant Equations
##B_{text{toroidal coil}} = \frac{\mu_0 NI}{2 \pi s} \hat{\phi}## where ##s## is the distance from the center of the toroidal coil (the origin if you will) (also ##\hat{\phi}## because I assumed the toroidal coil lies in the ##xy-\text{plane}##.

Since ##\nabla \times \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}## which I believe implies that

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’##
The relevant equation listed above as

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}\frac{1}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’##

Seems to me to be a natural consequence of the Helmholtz Theorem so I don’t see why it wouldn’t be valid but strangely I’m finding a curl of ##0##. Here’s the calculation.

If ##\frac{\partial I}{\partial t} = k \Rightarrow I = kt##. Plugging ##I## into ##\vec{B}## we get

##\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 N kt}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi}’##
And taking the partial derivative wrt ##t##

##\frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} = \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi}’##

In cylindrical coordinates the primed curl of the above is

##\nabla’ \times \frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} = \nabla’ \times \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi’} = \frac{1}{s’} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial s’} \left(s’ \frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \right) \right) \hat{\phi}’##

## = \frac{1}{s’} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial s’} \left(s’ \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \right) \right) \hat{\phi}’ = 0 \hat{\phi’}##

Which makes the following integral zero

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}\frac{1}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’ = 0##

Where did I go wrong with the curl calculation because the answer is definitely not zero?

Thanks for any help in advanced.

Edit all instances of the integral should be

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’\right|} \, d \tau’##
 
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Edit all instances of the integral should be

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’\right|} \, d \tau’##

This doesn't look correct to me.

I believe the Helmholtz theorem leads to $$\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = -\frac{1}{4 \pi} \nabla \times \int \frac{\frac{\partial \vec B(\vec r \, ', t)}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}\,’\right|} \, d \tau’.$$ I don't see how to get from this to your expression.
 
Thankyou @TSny

I figured it out.

Instead of fussing with the Helmholtz Theorem and its intricacies I just appealed to a formula in Griffiths

##\vec{E} \left(\vec{r}\right) = - \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \times \vec{R}}{R^3} \, d \tau'##

I made some simplifying assumptions along the way and got the same answer the solution manual got via a slightly different method.

That said the simplifying assumptions regarding smallness parameters were probably favorably made in light of knowing the final answer :D

That said the Helmholtz Theorem is something I should definitely get more familiar with.

Edit: just to be sure I only looked at the final solution. Not the workings. I believe my solution is valid due to the corroboration.
 
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