Electric Field of a Toroid carrying a changing current I = kt on axis

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The discussion centers on calculating the electric field of a toroid carrying a time-varying current, specifically I = kt. The equation for the electric field, derived from the Helmholtz Theorem, initially yields a curl of zero, leading to an electric field of zero. However, the user resolves the issue by applying Griffiths' formula for the electric field, confirming the validity of their solution through simplifying assumptions and corroboration with a solution manual.

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Homework Statement
A toroidal coil has a rectangular cross section, with inner radius ##a##, outer radius ##a+w##, and height ##h##. It carries a total of ##N## tightly wound turns, and the current is increasing at a constant rate (##\frac{dI}{dt} = kt##). If ##w## and ##h## are both much less than ##a##, find the electric field at point ##z## above the center of the toroidal. [Hint: Exploit the analogy between Faraday fields and magnetostatic fields, and refer to Example 5.6 (In Griffiths)]
Relevant Equations
##B_{text{toroidal coil}} = \frac{\mu_0 NI}{2 \pi s} \hat{\phi}## where ##s## is the distance from the center of the toroidal coil (the origin if you will) (also ##\hat{\phi}## because I assumed the toroidal coil lies in the ##xy-\text{plane}##.

Since ##\nabla \times \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}## which I believe implies that

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’##
The relevant equation listed above as

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}\frac{1}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’##

Seems to me to be a natural consequence of the Helmholtz Theorem so I don’t see why it wouldn’t be valid but strangely I’m finding a curl of ##0##. Here’s the calculation.

If ##\frac{\partial I}{\partial t} = k \Rightarrow I = kt##. Plugging ##I## into ##\vec{B}## we get

##\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_0 N kt}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi}’##
And taking the partial derivative wrt ##t##

##\frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} = \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi}’##

In cylindrical coordinates the primed curl of the above is

##\nabla’ \times \frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} = \nabla’ \times \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \hat{\phi’} = \frac{1}{s’} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial s’} \left(s’ \frac{ \partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \right) \right) \hat{\phi}’##

## = \frac{1}{s’} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial s’} \left(s’ \frac{\mu_0 N k}{2 \pi s’} \right) \right) \hat{\phi}’ = 0 \hat{\phi’}##

Which makes the following integral zero

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int {\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}\frac{1}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’ \right|}\, d \tau’ = 0##

Where did I go wrong with the curl calculation because the answer is definitely not zero?

Thanks for any help in advanced.

Edit all instances of the integral should be

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’\right|} \, d \tau’##
 
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Edit all instances of the integral should be

##\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\nabla’ \times \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}’\right|} \, d \tau’##

This doesn't look correct to me.

I believe the Helmholtz theorem leads to $$\vec{E} \left( \vec{r} \right) = -\frac{1}{4 \pi} \nabla \times \int \frac{\frac{\partial \vec B(\vec r \, ', t)}{\partial t}}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r}\,’\right|} \, d \tau’.$$ I don't see how to get from this to your expression.
 
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Thankyou @TSny

I figured it out.

Instead of fussing with the Helmholtz Theorem and its intricacies I just appealed to a formula in Griffiths

##\vec{E} \left(\vec{r}\right) = - \frac{1}{4 \pi} \int \frac{\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t} \times \vec{R}}{R^3} \, d \tau'##

I made some simplifying assumptions along the way and got the same answer the solution manual got via a slightly different method.

That said the simplifying assumptions regarding smallness parameters were probably favorably made in light of knowing the final answer :D

That said the Helmholtz Theorem is something I should definitely get more familiar with.

Edit: just to be sure I only looked at the final solution. Not the workings. I believe my solution is valid due to the corroboration.
 
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