[Electrical engineering] Second order Parallel RLC Circuits.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of second-order parallel RLC circuits, focusing on the behavior of inductor current and capacitor voltage after a switch is pulled, transitioning from a steady state. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of the circuit, including differential equations and initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the expected shapes of the inductor current and capacitor voltage curves after switching, referencing a specific circuit.
  • Participants assert that the elements share a common voltage and apply Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to derive a second-order differential equation (DE) for the circuit.
  • There is a proposal to use the solution form v(t)=(A1+A2t)e^-αt for critically damped circuits, with some participants agreeing on this approach.
  • Questions arise regarding how to determine the constants A1 and A2 based on initial conditions, with suggestions to set t=0 in the general solution.
  • Further elaboration includes differentiating the equation to find relationships involving the initial current or voltage, and using KCL or KVL to derive necessary values.
  • Participants note that their derived equations for voltage and current match simulation results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the approach to solving the circuit equations, participants express uncertainty regarding the specifics of determining constants A1 and A2, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on this aspect.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific initial conditions and relationships between voltage and current but do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in determining the constants.

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Readers interested in electrical engineering, particularly those studying RLC circuits and differential equations, may find this discussion relevant.

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Homework Statement
Source free Second order Parallel RLC Circuits. How to find functions for inductor current and capacitor voltage with respect to time after current source has been removed?
Relevant Equations
α=1/2RC, w0=(1/lc)^1/2, v(t)=(A1+A2t)e^-αt
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The inductor current curve and capacitor voltage curve should look like this after pulling the switch from which the circuit archived a steady state of 1 amp:
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link to circuit: http://tinyurl.com/y4hq6c6u
 
The elements share a common voltage, u.

KCL says the sum of all currents = 0.

Form the second-order DE, then solve it.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
The elements share a common voltage, u.

KCL says the sum of all currents = 0.

Form the second-order DE, then solve it.

Can't I just use v(t)=(A1+A2t)e^-αt since the circuit is critically damped (α=w0) and solve for A1 and A2 based upon initial conditions?
 
Muskyboi said:
Can't I just use v(t)=(A1+A2t)e^-αt since the circuit is critically damped (α=w0) and solve for A1 and A2 based upon initial conditions?
When it's critically damped, that is the way to solve it.
 
NascentOxygen said:
When it's critically damped, that is the way to solve it.

OK, but How do I find A1 and A2 based upon the initial conditions?
 
Muskyboi said:
OK, but How do I find A1 and A2 based upon the initial conditions?
You set t=0 in the general solution, and substitute the known initial conditions.
 
NascentOxygen said:
You set t=0 in the general solution, and substitute the known initial conditions.

A2 is initial current or voltage
to get A1 you must differentiate the equation with respect to time
Find dv/dt or di/dt via KCL or KVL
the dv/dt or di/dt will come from the equation for the capacitor current or inductor voltage (basically ohms law for inductors and capacitors )
now you sub your dv/dt or di/dt into the equation you differentiated with respect to time

My functions for iL(t) and vc(t) have the exact same curves as the simulation:
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Your equation for v(x) agrees with what I arrived at.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Your equation for v(x) agrees with what I arrived at.

And what about the function for the current through the inductor iL(t)?
 

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