Electrical resistance of springs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around measuring linear spring displacement through various methods, particularly focusing on the electrical resistance of springs and alternative approaches. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of these measurement techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effectiveness of measuring displacement through changes in electrical resistance, suggesting that the resistance change would be minimal due to the nature of spring displacement.
  • Another participant proposes using springs as electrodes in a galvanic cell to measure electropotential differences when one spring is compressed, indicating a potential method to capture mechanical energy changes.
  • Some participants mention that stretching a spring could also affect its inductance and reactance, which may be relevant for measurement.
  • There are suggestions for using linear optical encoders as an alternative method to measure displacement, with considerations about the initial stretching of the spring and the potential interference from attached wires.
  • A participant recalls an experiment involving capacitance to measure spring displacement, noting the practical challenges and consistency of the results over time.
  • Another suggestion includes using a piston and lined cylinder arrangement or purchasing a linear potentiometer designed for displacement measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the effectiveness of different measurement methods, and no consensus is reached regarding the best approach to measure spring displacement.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed may depend on specific conditions or setups, such as the type of springs used or the environment in which measurements are taken. The effectiveness and consistency of certain proposed methods remain uncertain.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring experimental methods in mechanical engineering, physics, or related fields, particularly those focused on measurement techniques for mechanical systems.

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I am attempting to measure linear spring displacement by measuring the change in electrical resistance of the spring before and after the displacement. Will this approach work? (assume the coils do not contact each other)
 
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Hello curious.If you were stretching a wire there would be a small change of resistance because the wire would get longer and thinner.Any change of resistance of a spring would be extremely small because the main displacement would be an uncoiling of the turns rather than a stretching of the wire.
 
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If two springs are placed in a galvanic cell with the appropriate battery electrolyte, there is a small electropotential difference created if two springs are used as electrodes, and one spring is compressed, due to the strain mechanical energy stored in the spring. Use fishline or other non-metallic fiber to hold one spring compressed. This might be an alternate parameter to measure..

Bob S
 
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Bob S said:
If two springs are placed in a galvanic cell with the appropriate battery electrolyte, there is a small electropotential difference created if two springs are used as electrodes, and one spring is compressed, due to the mechanical energy stored in the spring. Use fishline or other non-metallic fiber to hold one spring compressed. This might be an alternate parameter to measure..

Bob S

Something else that springs to mind(sorry) is that stretching a spring will change itself inductance and reactance.
 
Dadface said:
Something else that springs to mind(sorry) is that stretching a spring will change itself inductance and reactance.
That was my first thought when thinking about a way to measure CuriousG44s springs displacement. But that would require attaching wires that would possibly interfere (?). So I was thinking maybe some sort of linear optical encoder. There would be several ways to do it. The simplest would probably be hanging an encoder from the spring (note: there would be some initial stretching of the spring but since the displacement is linear it might not be a problem.) Then use an LED to reflect some light off the encoder and count the number of lines on the encoder. You could make the encoder resolution (lines/inch) to suite your needs. Here's how the concept works:
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I had a tech that once worked for me. He was hardcore experimentor, kept a lathe as well electronic equipment at home. Anyway, he came across an article regarding measuring spring displacement via capacitance. I think it was a NASA publication.

Anyway, built one with two the interleaved windings and a rubber coating and sure enough, it worked. It was a pretty usightly thing though and I don't know if it's consistency would be what you'd want over time.

Personally, I'd consider a piston and lined cylinder arrangement, or simply purchase a linear pot which is made for this.
 

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