Electrodynamic vector potential wave equations in free space.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the wave equations related to the electrodynamic vector potential in free space, particularly examining the implications of gauge choices and the conditions under which certain mathematical results hold. Participants explore the relationship between different approaches to deriving the wave equation and the meaning of regularity in the context of harmonic functions.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references David Bohm's assertion that in empty space, the condition div a = 0 leads to the conclusion that φ = 0, but questions the argument's clarity regarding the meaning of "regular."
  • Another participant suggests that "regular" refers to harmonic functions being infinitely differentiable and argues that no singularity-free harmonic function exists over all R³ space, implying that φ must be constant or that charge exists somewhere.
  • A later reply proposes that Bohm likely meant grad(φ) = 0 instead of φ = 0, which aligns with their own calculations leading to the vector potential wave equation without needing φ to be zero.
  • One participant introduces the concept of using grad(φ) = 0 in the context of complex numbers and Cauchy-Riemann equations, suggesting a connection to the notion of regularity.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the introduction of Clifford algebra in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of Bohm's statements and the implications of regularity in the context of harmonic functions. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the conditions leading to φ = 0 or grad(φ) = 0, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of the approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential limitations in understanding the implications of harmonic functions and the conditions under which they apply, particularly in relation to the existence of charge and the behavior of φ in free space.

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In David Bohm's "Quantum Theory" (an intro topic building up to the Rayleigh-Jeans law), he states:

"We now show that in empty space the choice div a = 0 also leads to \phi = 0 ...

But since div a = 0, we obtain

[tex] \nabla^2\phi = 0[/tex]

This is, however, simply Laplace's equation. It is well known that the only solution of this equation that is regular over all space is \phi = 0. (All other solutions imply the existence of charge at some points in space and, therefore, a failure of Laplace's equation at these points.)"

Now, everything leading up to the Laplacian I understand fine, but I'm not clear on the argument that requires \phi = 0. In particular I'm not sure what regular means in this context.

Bohm is trying to arrive at the wave equation for the vector potential. I'd seen this done differently before by picking the gauge

[tex] \partial_\mu A^\mu = 0[/tex]

to arrive at the four wave equations

[tex] \partial_\mu\partial^\mu A^\nu = J^\nu[/tex]

and doing so one has no requirement for [itex]A^0 = 0[/itex] for the free space case. Are these two approaches equivalent in some not obvious to me?
 
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Peeter said:
Now, everything leading up to the Laplacian I understand fine, but I'm not clear on the argument that requires \phi = 0. In particular I'm not sure what regular means in this context.

It's taken me a few days to understand what your sticking point was, so you may already know the answer.

The only meaning of "regular", as applied to harmonic functions, that I have found, means infinitely differentiable. This doen't seem to fit--exactly.

I think Bohm is saying that no harmonic function exists over all R^3 space (including infinity) that is singularity free. Translated into physics, this means that phi is either constant over all space, or the space contains charge--even if that charge is located at infinity. (Bohm must have been mistaken, and should been speaking of grad(phi)=0, as this is the most general condition that allows space to be charge free.)

You might try Liouville's Boundedness Theorem if you can follow it.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LiouvillesBoundednessTheorem.html
 
thanks Phrak. I think you are right. It must be grad(phi) = 0 here that he means. That makes two things make more sense. One is the wave equation result he's trying to get. If I do that calculation myself, using div(a) = 0, I get:

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> 0 &= \nabla^2 \phi \\<br /> 0 &= \nabla^2 \mathbf{a} - \partial_{00}{\mathbf{a}} - \partial_0 \nabla \phi \\<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

So, with grad(phi) = 0 one gets the vector potential wave equation, and there isn't any requirement to make phi itself equal to zero.

With the correction of phi =0 -> grad(phi) =0, the use of the term regular makes some sense too. In the context of complex numbers , by writing i = e_1 e_2 as a Clifford product and factoring out one of the vectors, grad(phi) = 0 can be used as a compact way of expressing the Cauchy Reimann equations, the condition for a complex number to be differentiable at a point, ie: regular.
 
You lost me with the clifford algebra, but good luck.
 

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