Electromagnetic force calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of electromagnetic force on a surface using the Maxwell stress tensor, particularly in the context of a dielectric sphere in an electromagnetic wave in vacuum. Participants explore the role of field points in this calculation and the implications of averaging methods.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for calculating force using the Maxwell stress tensor and questions how field points are utilized in the calculation, particularly regarding their location relative to the dielectric and vacuum.
  • Another participant asserts that forces on surfaces are typically calculated using the average field.
  • A request for references or texts that detail the averaging method is made by a participant.
  • A later reply references Griffith's "Introduction to Electrodynamics," noting that the averaging method is used to eliminate the surface's own field, which does not exert a force on itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation methods and the use of field points, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the knowledge of fields at the boundary of the dielectric and the assumptions made about the averaging method, which may depend on specific conditions or definitions not fully explored in the discussion.

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Hi,

I understand that force due to an electromagnetic field on a surface can be calculated by
F = \oint {T . n dS} where T is Maxwell stress tensor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_stress_tensor"

And this tensor consists of E_x, E_y, E_z, H_x, H_y, H_z

I don't understand how the field points are used in the force calculation, say for example, to calculate force on a dielectric sphere in an EM wave in vacuum.

What are field points used for E_x, ..., H_x, ... ? Are the within the dielectric or in vacuum?
Since the fields on the boundary are not known (only fields in either side of the boundary are known) how do you calculate the force?

Can somebody shed some light on this or point me to some example where a similar calculation is done?

Thanks in advance
 
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Forces on surfaces are always (as far as I've seen) calculated using the average field.
 
Thanks. Can u point me to some text or online notes where it uses the averaging method?
 
I learned that method of calculating force from Griffith's Introduction to Electrodynamics. He also has a section in chapter 8 discussing the stress tensor. He describes the reasoning for the average is that it eliminates the surface's own field (which is locally symmetric due to Gauss' Law and Ampere's Law) which doesn't exert a force on itself.
 
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