Electron Configuration - Notation Clarification

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the clarification of electron configurations and orbital notations, specifically focusing on the nature of s and p orbitals, their arrangement, and how they relate to the electron configuration of elements like Neon. The scope includes conceptual understanding of atomic structure and electron distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the placement of electrons in the electron shells, particularly regarding the 2s shell and the total number of electrons surrounding Neon.
  • Another participant clarifies that the 2s orbital is also spherical and isotropic, similar to the 1s orbital.
  • A participant questions whether the 2s orbital overlays the 1s orbital or adds to it, seeking further clarification on their spatial relationship.
  • Another participant requests articles or resources that could provide evidence for the structure of atomic orbitals.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article suggesting that orbitals overlap, contributing to the discussion about their spatial arrangement.
  • One participant asserts that the 1s and 2s orbitals are orthogonal and do not overlap, emphasizing the need for careful interpretation of orbital labels in real space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the spatial relationship between the 1s and 2s orbitals, with some suggesting overlap and others asserting orthogonality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of orbital structures.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about orbital shapes and their geometric interpretations, as well as the dependence on definitions of quantum numbers and electron configurations.

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Warm greetings,

My confusion surronds Electron-orbitals...

My text describes the sub-shells s, p, d, and f. If s shell has 2 electrons in spherical orbit, and p shell 6 electrons in 3 lobed orbitals, where on Earth are the other 2 electrons that complete the orbital shell of Neon? What is the '2s' shell? And why do all illustrations of the elements in the Periodic Table show 2 initial electrons surrounded by 8, that's eight, electrons in one shell!?

Thanks in advance for your clarification.
 
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2s is also "spherical" (isotropic). just as 1s (and every other s orbital).

The illustrations are referring to the number of electrons that share the same principal quantum number n (2 for n=1 etc)
 
Thanks

Is the 2s a sperical orbit overlayed/ontop of the initial 1s spherical orbit, or does it somehow add to a 1s orbit leading to a larger sphere?
 
Can anyone point me in the direction of an article that might answer my query, and provide evidence for this structure?

Thanks
 
ract said:
Thanks

Is the 2s a sperical orbit overlayed/ontop of the initial 1s spherical orbit, or does it somehow add to a 1s orbit leading to a larger sphere?

No, the 1s and 2s orbitals are orthogonal; i.e. they do not overlap.

It is worth keeping in mind here that 1s, 2s etc are "labels" for wavefunctions (and often depicted in k-space) . You have to be VERY careful when interpreting them geometrically in real space (s is isotropic and p polar, everything else is just very complicated).
 

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