Suppose i am performing the diffraction experiment using a single electron

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The discussion revolves around the diffraction experiment involving a single electron, focusing on the relationship between the electron's physical properties (such as charge, angular momentum, and spin) and its wave-like behavior. Participants explore concepts related to wavefunctions, energy transformation, and the implications of measuring the electron's position.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the energy of an electron, in terms of its physical properties, can be observed in wave behavior.
  • Another participant asserts that an electron is fundamentally a particle and that the wave properties arise from the position and momentum wavefunction.
  • There is a discussion about the deBroglie "matter waves" and the relationship between matter and energy, suggesting that energy has a frequency and thus matter exhibits wave-like behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about the transformation of wave energy back into particle properties, with one participant stating that the electron was always a particle and that the wave is statistical rather than physical.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the diffraction pattern, noting that the electron does not produce a continuous distribution of energy on the detection screen but rather arrives at specific locations, influenced by statistical behavior.
  • One participant emphasizes the difference between classical models of particles and waves in understanding the experiment.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the electron as a particle versus its wave-like behavior. There is no consensus on how to reconcile the wave and particle descriptions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of measuring the electron's properties.

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Participants mention the statistical nature of wavefunctions and the implications of measurement on the electron's properties, but these concepts are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

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i was going through the diffraction experiment and had a question that i would like to ask:

suppose i am performing the diffraction experiment using a single electron,firstly how the energy contained in electron in terms of its physical properties such as charge,angular momentum and spin can be seen in waves?.
second, if i put an apparatus to look for the electron how is the energy of wave transforming back into the particle and then seen in nature of particle such as spin, angular momentum and charge?

or if someone could tell me that how is the field energy of particle is transformin into the energy of wave. it appears as if there is a violation to conservation of energy.
 
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nouveau_riche said:
i was going through the diffraction experiment and had a question that i would like to ask:

suppose i am performing the diffraction experiment using a single electron,firstly how the energy contained in electron in terms of its physical properties such as charge,angular momentum and spin can be seen in waves?.
It isn't. An electron is a particle ;)
It is the position (and, therefore, momentum) wavefunction that has the wave properties.

The deBroglie "matter waves" are a stepping-stone concept to help you get used to this.
Basically, matter and energy are the same thing - energy has a frequency - therefore matter has a frequency - therefore we expect to see wave-like behavior from matter.
for eg. [itex]E=mc^2=h\nu[/itex] relates the wave and material properties. However - the actual wave is statistical rather than physical - it's just called that because the math is similar to the math for physical waves.

(note: when we talk about the energy of an electron we usually mean it's kinetic energy or the combination of rest-mass and kinetic energy. Energy due to, say, charge would be electromagnetic potential energy.)
second, if i put an apparatus to look for the electron how is the energy of wave transforming back into the particle and then seen in nature of particle such as spin, angular momentum and charge?
It isn't - the electron was always a particle.

In wave mechanics, the electron source and the slits "prepare the initial state" of the electron ... the slits act to measure the position of the electron, establishing the position wave-function. The narrower and fewer the slits the more certain the position, which makes the momentum very uncertain ... and it is the momentum that exhibits interference.

This interference determines the probability of detecting an electron at some place.

See: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0703126]
... the notation can be a bit scary if you are not used to it, just take it slow.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
It isn't. An electron is a particle ;)
It is the position (and, therefore, momentum) wavefunction that has the wave properties.

it's just called that because the math is similar to the math for physical waves.

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So what will you say about the diffraction pattern. The electron should not give a continuous distribution of energy along the screen at same time.
 


nouveau_riche said:
So what will you say about the diffraction pattern.
It's pretty :)
The electron should not give a continuous distribution of energy along the screen at same time.
The electron does not give a continuous energy along the screen at the same time.
Each electron's energy arrives at a particular spot on the screen in one go.

The interference and diffraction come from the statistical behavior.
I believe I covered this in the rest of my previous reply.

You are thinking of the classical models for particles and waves.
 


i get it
 

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