Electron move through capacitor

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an electron moving between two charged capacitor plates, with specific dimensions and a defined change in momentum. The questions focus on determining the electric field vector, the charge on the upper plate, and the potential difference between the plates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric field and charge using given equations but questions the sign of the charge associated with the electron. They also seek clarification on how to determine which plate corresponds to the calculated charge.
  • Some participants question the relevance of the sign conventions used in the calculations, suggesting that without a defined coordinate system, the signs may be indeterminate.
  • Others suggest considering the direction of the electric field and the implications of the electron's motion in relation to the plates.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the implications of sign conventions and the nature of electric fields. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity surrounding the charge distribution on the plates, and some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a defined coordinate system and the potential impact this has on the interpretation of signs in the calculations. The problem also involves assumptions about the equal and opposite charges on the plates, which are being explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An electron enters a region between two capacitor plates with equal and opposite charges. The plates are L=0.1 m by d=0.05 m, and the gap between the plates is h=0.002 m. During a short time interval of dt=0.002 s, while between the plates and far from the edges, the change of momentum is dp=<0,-9x10-17,0> kg m/s. Ignore gravitational effects here since they are so weak compared to electric effects.
(a) What is the electric field vector between the plates (far from the edges)? (hint: momentum principle)
(b) What is the charge (magnitude and sign) on the upper plate?
(c) What is the potential difference dV = Vtop - Vbottom ?

I figured out how to solve the problem, however, I have some questions.
1) Do I use 1.6x10-19 or do I use -1.6x10-19 ? I know the negative makes more sense since it's an electron but my friend were arguing that signs does not matter.
2) How do I tell if the charge I got is for the upper plate or lower plate? I used the equation: E = Q / A epsilon0 to find the charge Q.
3) I'm not entirely sure that my work is correct. I might have done something wrong somewhere.

Homework Equations


a)
dp = F dt => F = dp / dt
F = qE => E = F / q

b)
E = Q / A epsilon0 => Q = E A epsilon0

c)
dV = -E dl

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
F = -9x10-17 / 0.002 = -4.5x10-14

E = 4.5x10-14 / -1.6x10-19 = 2.8x105 V/m (not sure if this should be plus or minus because the sign of charge of electron)

b)
Q = 2.8x105x0.1x0.05xepsilon0 = 1.24x10-8 ( not sure if this charge belongs to upper plate or lower plate )

c)
dV = -2.8x105 x 0.002 = -562.5 Volt
 
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Since no coordinate system was furnished with the problem it doesn't matter which signs you use. Furthermore, the sign of the E field, that of the upper plate charge, as well as that of the potential difference are all indeterminate.
 
Rudy's correct if you're really critical. I'm inclined to see the mentioning of a negative dpy as an indication that you are supposed to consider the electron is pulled towards the bottom plate. I.e. take the positive y-direction upwards.

That way you get ##\vec E## pointing upwards and a negative Vtop - Vbot.

The expression you use in b) is for Q on both plates, meaning Qbot is + what you found and Qtop = - idem.

(physically, all you found is a charge difference, but because the exercise mentions equal and opposite charges, there is no doubt left).

My compliments for a clear and well-formulated post.
 
Off the specific questions:

(a) the literal calculaton would give a minus sign because you have a positive number divided by a negative number ... so keep the signs.
Think about the role the sign plays in the electric field. Remember, E is a vector - you are asked for the vector, so you answer should be a vector - vectors have a magnitude and a direction. What is the magnitude in this case? What is the direction?

(b) If the charge on the upper plate is Q then the charge on the lower plate is -Q ... does it matter to the problem description which is which?
 

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