EM wave - nodes at metal surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of standing electromagnetic waves at the surface of metal plates, specifically focusing on the conditions that lead to nodes at the metal surfaces. It explores theoretical aspects related to boundary conditions of electric and magnetic fields in conductors.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that nodes occur at the metal plates due to the infinite conductivity of metals, leading to a zero electric field at the surface.
  • Others explain that the electric field inside a conductor is zero because charges move to cancel any applied electric field, which is described as happening practically instantaneously.
  • A participant questions whether the electric and magnetic fields at the surface are indeed zero, seeking clarification on the nature of these fields.
  • One participant clarifies that it is only the component of the electric field parallel to the surface that is zero, while the perpendicular component just outside the surface is not zero. They also note that the behavior of the magnetic field is the opposite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept that the electric field at the surface of a conductor is zero due to charge movement, but there is some disagreement regarding the behavior of the magnetic field and the components of the electric field at the surface.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about ideal conductors and does not resolve the nuances of field behavior at the metal surface, particularly regarding the perpendicular and parallel components of the electric and magnetic fields.

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I've read in a book, that if you had a standing electromagnetic wave between two metal plates, only nodes would be at the metal plates. This is due to the infinite high conduction of metal, the book says.

Why is that so?
 
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This is one of the boundary conditions of an electric field at the surface of a conductor. Inside the conductor, the electric field will be zero since any electric field will cause the charges to move around as to cancel this field (practically instantaneously).
Same reasoning applies with the wave. Any E-field at the surface of the metal plate will cause the electrons to move around as to cancel this field. So it will always be zero.
 
So the E-field (and the B-field) at the surface is zero, since the electrons' movements cancel out the E-field? And the movement is so fast that it is really zero?
 
Yes, it is practically instantaneous. Mathematically it IS in the case of an ideal conductor.
Any field in, say, the x-direction will push on the charges and cause positive to accumulate x direction and negative charge in the -x direction. This arrangement will produce its own field in the -x direction as to cancel the original field, so the total field will be zero.
 
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It is only the component of E parallel to the metal'surface that is zero. The component perpendicular to (and just outside) the surface is not zero. For B, it is the opposite. The normal component is zero and the tangential component is not. If the wave vector (k) is perpendicular to the surface, E at the surface is zero, but B is not.
 

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