Emissivity of a very high temperature object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the total hemispherical emissivity of platinum at high temperatures ranging from 1400 to 2000 K. Participants explore how the emissivity of platinum changes with temperature, particularly in the context of its appearance and thermal performance in applications such as heating elements and stoves.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that platinum's emissivity at room temperature is low (0.1 to 0.2) and questions whether it approaches 1 when heated to white-hot temperatures.
  • Another participant shares an anecdote about a shiny stainless steel stove, suggesting that metals are poor emitters until they reach high temperatures, after which they emit well.
  • A participant involved in designing a platinum filament oven estimates that the emissivity of platinum exceeds the quoted 0.2 value at temperatures above 1000 °C, suggesting values between 0.5 and 0.8.
  • Research is cited indicating that the emissivity of platinum in the near-infrared is independent of temperature within a certain range (650-1100 K), while other sources provide varying emissivity values at lower temperatures.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for a detailed paper that suggests platinum remains a poor emitter (0.1 to 0.2) even at high temperatures up to 1800 K.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the emissivity of platinum at high temperatures, with some suggesting it increases significantly while others maintain it remains low. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact behavior of platinum's emissivity as temperature increases.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific temperature ranges and experimental conditions, and there are unresolved questions regarding the emissivity's dependence on wavelength.

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I am looking for data on the total hemispherical emissivitie from a Platinum surface at high temperature 1400 - 2000 K. In this temperature range the Platnium surface will color from red, orange to white.
I learned that, practically, the bove mentioned emissivity will approach to one in this temperature range.
Platinum has a low emissivity at room temperature: something between 0.1 and 0.2 (as most website tables how). Does the emissivity of this metal go to 1 when white hot?
Materialquality of Platinum is shiny.
 
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I once built a small wood stove from a shiny stainless steel beer keg.
First test I set a fire inside and set it alight, waiting for the lovely radiant heat. Good fire, no heat. Fire raging, no heat. Waiting. Finally the stove starts to be visibly emissive (orange glow) and there is suddenly good heat coming from stove.
Solution for the stove was black stove paint...worked fine. Second test behaved like a wood stove should.
I believe this represents a general response of metals...they are shiny reflective (and hence very bad emitters) only to frequencies below their plasma frequencies. So when hot enough they emit well,. Here is some data for Au and Ag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflectance
Pt should be similar
 
Hello Hutchphd

You say: "So when hot enough they emit well"
We are designing an oven using a current driven, very thin Pt filament. I have data on filament temperature as function of the heating current. If I compare the measured temperature with some heat transfer simulations I come to the conclusion that above a 1000 C the emissivity is way above the quoted Pt emissivity of 0.2 at room temperature .
I Its going the values 0.5-0.8 above 1000 C is my first estimation. Looking for data though to confirm this.

Best regards
 
From:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23557347_Temperature_dependence_of_the_emissivity_of_platinum_in_the_IR
the emissivity of platinum is measured in the near infrared as a function of temperature. In the wavelength range of study and the temperature range of 650-1100 K, we find the emissivity to be independent of temperature to within experimental error.

But this:
https://www.omega.co.uk/literature/transactions/volume1/emissivitya.html
Shows:
260°C e=0.05
538°C e=0.10

And this one that digs rather deeply into the subject shows it depends on the wavelength:
http://coimbra.ucsd.edu/publications/papers/2019c_Orosco_Coimbra.pdf(above found with:
https://www.google.com/search?q=emissivity+of+platinum+vs+temperature)

Cheers,
Tom
 

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