EMP generator using a spark gap

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The discussion revolves around the construction of an EMP generator using a spark gap and capacitor, focusing on the necessary components, voltage requirements, and measurement techniques. Participants explore the implications of generating electromagnetic pulses (EMPs) and share resources related to the topic.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the basic components needed for an EMP generator, suggesting a large capacitor and a spark gap, and asks about the required voltage and measurement methods.
  • Another participant confirms that electrical arcs generate EMPs and mentions that significant power is needed to damage electronics at distances greater than a few millimeters, suggesting tens of thousands of volts.
  • A participant questions whether a Van de Graaff generator could produce an EMP detectable on a radio.
  • There is a discussion about the broad definition of "EMP" and the potential dangers of working with high-voltage equipment, emphasizing safety precautions.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the price differences between capacitors with varying capacitance and voltage ratings, noting the high cost of larger capacitance values.
  • Another participant highlights the significance of capacitance in relation to charge storage, indicating that a higher capacitance allows for a greater amount of charge at the same voltage.
  • One participant suggests that explosives could be a method for generating a large EMP, while also cautioning about the legality and safety of such methods.
  • A participant provides a link to a forum where more information on EMP generators can be found, recommending it as a resource for practical insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the construction and implications of EMP generators, with no clear consensus on the best methods or safety practices. The discussion includes both supportive and cautionary perspectives regarding the use of high-voltage equipment and the legality of certain methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential dangers associated with high-voltage equipment and the need for safety precautions. There is also an emphasis on the variability of capacitor pricing based on capacitance and voltage ratings, which remains unexplained.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and hobbyists interested in experimental physics, particularly those exploring electromagnetic phenomena and high-voltage applications.

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Hi, i live in the UK and currently studying physics at A-level. I have chosen to investigate EMP and its effect on electrical systems for a project. How would i build a generator? Am i right in saying all i would need is a fairly large capacitor and a spark gap? What sized voltage are we talking here to get a measurable EMP? Could i measure the EMP using an ocsilloscope? I would appreciate it if you could offer some insight. I have a limited knowledge of physics (bare in mind that I am only 17!) so please don't be too complicated in your answers :smile:
 
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… Am i right in saying all i would need is a fairly large capacitor and a spark gap? What sized voltage are we talking here to get a measurable EMP? Could i measure the EMP using an ocsilloscope?…



Yes to all your questions. Any electrical arc generates an EMP. An automobile’s ignition system generates EMP and in weak reception areas can be heard on the radio. To damage electronic components at any distance more than a few millimeters will take considerable power. You’re looking at 10’s of thousands of volts and high currents, more than I suggest you attempt.


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i see, thanks. So would a van derr Graff generator produce EMP that could be heard on a radio?
 
"EMP" is a very general term since it can be defined as any "pulse" that is produced anywhere across the electromagnetic spectrum.

So, anything that is producing staccato pulses at any frequency could be loosely considered "EMP", although not necessarily "destructive".

A quick search in google for "emp generator" produced this link at the top of the page:

http://www.plans-kits.com/plans/emp.html

Looks like lots of HV stuff, so try not to fry yourself. When you begin messing around with capacitors that are charged up in the kV regions, you don't necessarily need to make full contact with the electrodes to get accidentally hit with a discharge.

At these higher voltages there's always the possibility that you might get close enough to allow the charge to ionize the air-gap between YOU and the electrode. This means the charge can "reach out" and bite you when you might not otherwise expect it. :eek:
 
Im looking at buying a capacitor on the internet for this project. I need a 6000v capacitor and I've seen a huge variety in prices. The ones with higher farad values seem to be more expensive. Why is this, e.g. a 40kv 1pF capacitor is 6$ whereas a 10kv 0.1F capacitor is 70$!
 
0.1F is a *tremendous* amount of charge...
 
maybe it was lower, but I am just wondering what the advantages are of having a higher capacitance but the same p.d. on 2 different capacitors?
 
Well here is a unusal favourites link I found in my browser. Expensive but you might find it interesting if you are going for a home made job. I think the easiest way to generate a large emp involves explosives. Whatever they are all probably illegal in built up areas (or any area if the pulse is strong enough) and for very good reasons.

http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

Jesus: 1Mfd Capacitors :/
 
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A good place for information would be here:

http://forum.4hv.org/index.php?board=6

Many members on the 4HV forums have already designed, built and tested these types of things and can give you actual information.

Just don’t meantion my name there...
 

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