Energy Conservation of a car collision

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A car with an initial speed v collides with a lighter stationary car, which is 58.3% of its mass, and they stick together post-collision. The conservation of momentum equation is applied, leading to confusion over the final velocity calculation. The initial attempt yielded an incorrect final speed, prompting a review of algebraic steps. The correct approach indicates that the final speed as a fraction of the initial speed should be approximately 0.632. The discussion emphasizes that the problem pertains to momentum conservation rather than energy conservation.
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Homework Statement


A car moving with an initial speed v collides with a second lighter stationary car that is 58.3% as massive. After the collision, the two cars stick together and move off in the same direction as before. Calculate the final speed of the two cars after the collision. Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v).


Homework Equations


M1V1+M2V2=M1Vf1+M2Vf2


The Attempt at a Solution


M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

I ended up with V/.538=Vf but it says I am wrong, any1 know what I am doing wrong?
 
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The final answer you have reported says the final velocity is greater than the initial velocity. Intuitively, you should know this is wrong.

You have M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

This setup is correct, so I think your error lies in your algebra. Try reworking the simple cleanup steps and see what happens.

PS: Your title is misleading, because your question is more concerned with the conservation of momentum, rather than the conservation of energy.

BMWPower06 said:

Homework Statement


A car moving with an initial speed v collides with a second lighter stationary car that is 58.3% as massive. After the collision, the two cars stick together and move off in the same direction as before. Calculate the final speed of the two cars after the collision. Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v).

Homework Equations


M1V1+M2V2=M1Vf1+M2Vf2

The Attempt at a Solution


M1V1=M1Vf+53.8%M1Vf

I ended up with V/.538=Vf but it says I am wrong, any1 know what I am doing wrong?
 
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CaptainZappo said:
The final answer you have reported says the final velocity is greater than the initial velocity. Intuitively, you should know this is wrong.

You have M1V1=M1Vf+58.3%M1Vf

This setup is correct, so I think your error lies in your algebra. Try reworking the simple cleanup steps and see what happens.

PS: Your title is misleading, because your question is more concerned with the conservation of momentum, rather than the conservation of energy.

k, so i got V/1.583=Vf

is that right? i plugged it in online but it says its wrong...
 
BMWPower06 said:
k, so i got V/1.583=Vf

is that right? i plugged it in online but it says its wrong...

That is the answer I came up with.

Perhaps someone else can chime in?
 
mv = (m + .583m)v'
v/v' = 1.583
or

v'/v = .631(7)

The question asks for Give your answer in units of the initial speed (i.e. as a fraction of v), so you want v'/v not v/v'. In significant units it is .632.
 
Oh, and I thought I would mention that your problem doesn't actually concern Energy Conservation, but rather the conservation of momentum. Kinetic Energy is usually not conserved in non-elastic collisions.

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