Is Energy Truly Eternal and Infinite?

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The discussion centers around the concept of energy, particularly the principle that energy cannot be created or destroyed, leading to implications about its eternal and infinite nature. Participants explore the philosophical ramifications of energy's indestructibility, suggesting that if energy is eternal, then existence itself is also timeless. The conversation touches on the origins of energy in relation to the Big Bang, with some arguing that cosmologists do not assert that the singularity emerged from nothing. The idea that matter must have originated in a finite past due to entropy is also examined, alongside the relationship between movement and the passage of time. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the notion that while energy may not be universally accepted as eternal or infinite, its existence is acknowledged, at least in the present context. The discussion seeks to bridge science, religion, and philosophy, highlighting the complexities of understanding energy's role in the universe.
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I resist posting as I have very little physics or math knowledge. I read quite a lot and would like to seek veiws on the following.

Energy can't be created or destroyed.

That implies it is eternal.

If it is eternal it is infinite, at least in duration.


Is it fair to say:

Energy exists - We are conscious of it.

Energy is eternal - Can't create or destroy it.

Energy is infinite - Eternity is infinite.


What are the implications of the indestructibility of energy?



I'm writing an artical on areas that science, religion and philosophy agree apon, and would appreciate any insight in this area.
 
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"Energy can't be created or destroyed?" The key word here is created and what does this actually mean?

Man people believe the big bang singularity just popped into existence and was not created by anyone or any existence whatsoever: So instead of energy being created by anyone or any existence whatsoever what man calls energy existing could have also just popped into existence along with everything else and would then have existed "only" for 15 billion years or so and a finite quantity of time.
 
ronjanec said:
Man people believe the big bang singularity just popped into existence and was not created by anyone or any existence whatsoever:
I disagree, "Man" doesn't believe this. There may be some people who do but cosmologists AFAIK don't even address the origin of the singularity in question so they don't assume that it popped out of nothing.

EDIT: Oops, surely you meant "many" and not "Man"...
 
throng said:
What are the implications of the indestructibility of energy?
Philosophically, it implies that existence is for all time.
 
Sorry, I did mean many not man...
 
out of whack said:
Philosophically, it implies that existence is for all time.


This implies that time is eternal.

Matter must have begun in a finite past, by the law of entropy.



The universe is of a primary singularity or "first movement".

I'd imagine the movement as the beginning of time, because in an instant or at light speed there is no movement. It seems movement is related to the passage of time somehow.

As entropy affects movement its force disperses into a miriad of lesser pairs, so movement slows and temperature becomes infinitely low.

Matter would sit still, evenly dispersed in space.

If infinite entopy is possible then the future is infinite. Without movement there's no light and we start losing a definition of time. (wont go there)


Anyway it seems it is not concurred that energy is eternal or infinite but in that we are conscious of it, it exists, at least for now.

I hope my thermodynamics is not inane.
 
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