Energy from cosmic microwave background

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy received by Earth from the cosmic microwave background (CMB), focusing on its intensity and how to calculate the total energy hitting the Earth annually. Participants explore various methods and assumptions related to this calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Chris initiates the discussion by asking how much energy from the CMB hits the Earth each year, expressing uncertainty about the measurability of this energy.
  • One participant cites a CMB intensity value of 4.005 x 10^{-14} J/m^3 from Wikipedia, suggesting that Chris should calculate the total energy using the Earth's surface area.
  • Another participant points out that the cited value is a volumetric density and suggests using a different value of approximately 10^{-14} W/m^2 instead.
  • There is a discussion about the need to multiply the energy density by the speed of light to convert to a power measurement, but one participant notes that the random direction of the CMB radiation introduces additional complexity.
  • Chris shares his calculations, including the energy density, Earth's radius, surface area, and speed of light, ultimately estimating about 1.53 x 10^6 Joules per second from the CMB.
  • Another participant proposes using the Stefan-Boltzmann law to calculate the power received, suggesting that the Earth acts as a black body and provides a detailed calculation leading to a power output of about 1.6 Gigawatts.
  • This participant also addresses a hypothetical concern about the energy received from the CMB compared to the energy emitted by the Earth, emphasizing that the Earth radiates significantly more energy back into space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate values and methods for calculating the energy from the CMB, with no consensus reached on the final approach or results. Multiple competing models and calculations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about the directionality of CMB radiation and the choice of intensity values. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the CMB's energy density and its implications for energy calculations.

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Hello everyone

I've a question about the cosmic microwave background which my nephew asked me a couple of days ago. How much energy hits the Earth each year from the CMB? I'm assuming here that it is measurable in this way, but apologies if not.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Chris
 
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On Wikipedia, I found this number for the intensity of the CMB. ##4.005 x 10^{-14} \frac{J}{m^3}##

Now, can you look up the Earth's surface area and do the rest of the math?
 
anorlunda said:
On Wikipedia, I found this number for the intensity of the CMB. ##4.005 x 10^{-14} \frac{J}{m^3}##

Now, can you look up the Earth's surface area and do the rest of the math?

Unfortunately you indicated a volumetric density. I think the number is reasonable though as https://dspace.carthage.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/37/Adam%20Ferg.pdf?sequence=1 states ~10^-14 W/m^2.
 
MarkJW said:
Unfortunately you indicated a volumetric density.

Easy enough to fix - multiply by the speed of light.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Easy enough to fix - multiply by the speed of light.
Not that easy, the direction is random. There is another factor of order one.
 
Thanks ever so much everyone. Can I check my logic/arithmetic please?

1) Energy density of CMB is 4.005 * 10^-14 (Joules per cube metre)
2) Radius of Earth is about 6,371 km
3) Surface area of Earth is about 1.28 * 10^14 metres squared
4) Speed of light is 300,000 m/s

Multiplying (1) * (3) * (4) would give about 1.53 * 10^6 Joules per second from the CMB.

Am I on the right lines here, or have I made a basic error somewhere.

Thanks once again. It's been over 20 years since I did high school physics, so I more than a little rusty.

Chris
 
I would go with Stefan-Boltzmann and use the surface area of the Earth as the surface area of the black body that is shining on us - in which case you get a power of:

Area_of_Earth x Sigma x T^4 = (5.10*10^14) * (5.67*10^-8) * (2.726^4) = 1.6 Gigawatts

In case your cousin wonders whether the sea will eventually boil from all that energy hitting the earth, you might care to point out that the Earth (being at say 300°K) is shining back into space of order 100 million times what it is receiving from the CMB (being at 2.7°K). ((300/2.7)^4 from Stefan-Boltzmann law)
 
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