Energy generated by proton-proton cycle

  • Thread starter Thread starter lovelyrwwr
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Cycle Energy
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on the energy calculations involved in the proton-proton cycle, highlighting the discrepancies in the mass-energy equations. The initial calculations yield a negative energy value, which is incorrect, indicating an error in the second reaction's isotope. It is emphasized that the rest mass of ions should be used instead of neutral atoms, suggesting a correction by subtracting the mass of an electron. The revised equation for Q1 incorporates the masses of ions and electrons, reflecting the ionized state of hydrogen and helium in the sun's core. Accurate mass values are crucial for correctly determining energy output in nuclear fusion processes.
lovelyrwwr
Messages
48
Reaction score
0
Untitled.png


My attempt

Q Reaction 1:
Q1 = 2(1.007825) - (2.014102 + 0.000549) = 9.99E-4 u

Q Reaction 2:
Q2 = 1.007825 + 2.014102 - 4.002603 = -0.980676 u

Q Reaction 3:
Q3 = 3.016030 - (4.002603 + 2(1.007825)) = 0.013807 u
---------
2(Q1) + 2(Q2) + Q3 = -1.945547 u

(-1.945547 u)(931.5 MeV) = -1812.28 MeV

But it is not supposed to be negative? Thanks for any help.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The second equation given in the problem is wrong. See if you can figure out why and how to correct it.
 
One of the isotopes in equation 2 is wrong.

Also note that ion's fuse not neutral atoms! You should really be using the rest mass of the ion, not the rest mass of the atom. You can approximate this by subtracting the mass of the neutral atom by the mass of an electron.

To see why this important we should really write equation 1 as
\stackrel{1}{1}{H^{+}}+e^- +\stackrel{1}{1}H^{+}+e^-=\stackrel{2}{1}H^{+}+2e^-+e^+ +\nu

From this we can calculate Q1
Q1=2mass(\stackrel{1}{1}{H^{+}}) +2mass(e^-) -mass(\stackrel{2}{1}H^{+}) - 2 mass(e^-) - mass(e^+)

If we approximate the mass of the ion as the sum of the masses of the electron and the neutral atom we then get
Q1=2mass(\stackrel{1}{1}{H} ) -mass(\stackrel{2}{1}H) - mass(e^-) - mass(e^+)
 
In the core of our sun, nearly all hydrogen and helium atoms are ionized.
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
8K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
54
Views
10K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
14K
Replies
29
Views
4K
Back
Top