Energy is neither created nor destroyed

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy conservation, specifically focusing on kinetic energy (K.E.) and potential energy (P.E.) in the context of a body moving in space. Participants explore how the energy of a body changes based on its motion and the gravitational influences of other bodies, questioning whether the total energy varies depending on the direction of movement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the total energy of a body in space, suggesting that pushing it in different directions results in different potential energy values when approaching different gravitational bodies.
  • Another participant proposes that the initial potential energy could be the summation of all potential energies from all objects in the universe, raising the question of whether all objects have the same potential energy.
  • A participant emphasizes that pushing the object with a force results in an increase in kinetic energy, which depends on the force applied.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding potential energy, stating that as the object moves towards one gravitational field, it loses potential energy relative to that body while gaining potential energy from another body as the distance increases.
  • One participant asserts that the total energy remains constant, arguing that potential energy is not gained suddenly but is influenced by the distances to multiple gravitational bodies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how potential energy is affected by the movement of the body and the influence of gravitational fields. There is no consensus on whether the total energy changes based on the direction of movement or the gravitational influences involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of gravitational influence on potential energy without resolving the complexities of how energy conservation applies in different scenarios. The discussion includes assumptions about gravitational ranges and the nature of energy transfer.

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Excuse me if this question is stupid or naive.

If there is a body in space, what is the total energy of that body?
If initially the K.E of that body was zero and then I pushed it in a certain direction .. it will keep moving until it reaches another body that have a certain gravity ( Earth for example ) and in this case it has P.E

but if I pushed it in another direction ( with the same force ) .. it will keep moving until it reaches another body ( sun for example ) and in this case it will gain also P.E but with a different value

does not that mean that in the second case the amount of total energy was greater ?
 
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mmmmmm, maybe in the very beginning it's P.E was the summation of all the P.E that it will gain from all objects. am I right ?

but does not that mean that all objects in the universe have the same P.E ?
 
Your question is really hard to understand but one thing is for sure , if there is a object somewhere and you push it with a force "a" then now it has it's own kinetic energy whatever it was before the push +the "a" or in other words the object gains kinetic energy from the force exerted on it, depending on the force depends the kinetic energy that the object will have .
 
Crazymechanic said:
Your question is really hard to understand but one thing is for sure , if there is a object somewhere and you push it with a force "a" then now it has it's own kinetic energy whatever it was before the push +the "a" or in other words the object gains kinetic energy from the force exerted on it, depending on the force depends the kinetic energy that the object will have .

Thanks for your reply, my question is related to the Potential energy.
If this object is hanging in space and not moving at all. If I pushed it to the left with force "a" it will keep moving in the left direction until it reaches a gravity field of a certain object and in this moment it will gain Potential energy X based on the gravity field of that object

but if I pushed it to the right (the opposite direction) with the same force "a" it will keep moving in the right direction until it reaches a gravity field of another object and in this moment it will gain Potential energy Y based on the gravity field of that object.

Does not that mean that Energy was different ?
 
No. The body does not "gain potential energy" suddenly when it approaches another object in its way. It had certain potential energy before you pushed it because the gravity range is infinite. As you push it towards one object, approaching it it will actually be losing the P.E. due to that body because the distance to it is decreasing, but at the same time the distance from the opposite object will be increasing and the P.E due to that object will be increasing, so that the total of energy will stay constant.
 

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