Energy of a Capacitor System with partially inserted Dielectric

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total energy of a capacitor system with a partially inserted dielectric in one of the capacitors. Participants explore the implications of the dielectric on capacitance and energy calculations, focusing on the mathematical relationships involved.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a formula for the capacitance of a capacitor with a partially inserted dielectric and attempts to derive the total energy of the system.
  • Some participants propose that the total energy can be expressed in terms of the individual capacitances and charge, leading to a formula involving the total capacitance.
  • Others question the equivalence of the original poster's energy expression and the professor's provided answer, seeking clarification on the mathematical steps involved.
  • A participant suggests using partial fractions to understand the relationship between the two energy expressions.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical manipulation of the capacitance formulas, indicating a potential pathway to show the equivalence of the two energy expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of the original poster's calculations compared to the professor's answer. There is no consensus on whether the two expressions for energy are equivalent, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps necessary to demonstrate the equivalence of the two energy expressions. The discussion relies on specific assumptions about the configuration of the capacitors and the dielectric's effect on capacitance.

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Homework Statement


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The above is a capacitor system. A dielectric is inserted into capacitor C3 and I need to find the total energy of the system. The dielectric is not fully in, only partially (lets say a length x).


The Attempt at a Solution



I first found the capacitance of C3 with the dielectric partially inserted. I know that dielectric makes a system of 2 parallel capacitors.

Hence

[tex]C3 = \frac{L\epsilon_{0}}{d} (x(\epsilon_{r}-1) + L)[/tex]

where L is the length and width of the parallel capacitor.

Total capacitance of the system = [tex]\frac{(C3 + C2)C1}{C3 + C2 + C1}[/tex]

To find the total energy, I use the formula [tex]1/2 \times \frac{Q^{2}}{C}[/tex]

which becomes:

[tex]1/2 Q^{2} \times \frac{C3 + C2 + C1}{(C3 + C2)C1}[/tex]

Does this seem correct? The answer give to me by the professor is:

[tex]U =1/2 \frac{Q^{2}}{C1} + \frac{Q^{2}}{C2 + C3}[/tex]

I'm just kinda whether I'm wrong or the prof is...

Please advise.
 
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Hi saad87! :wink:
saad87 said:
[tex]1/2 Q^{2} \times \frac{C3 + C2 + C1}{(C3 + C2)C1}[/tex]

Does this seem correct? The answer give to me by the professor is:

[tex]U =1/2 \frac{Q^{2}}{C1} + \frac{Q^{2}}{C2 + C3}[/tex]

I'm just kinda whether I'm wrong or the prof is...

Please advise.

erm :redface: … they're the same! (assuming the professor's "1/2" is for both bits) :smile:
 
Really? Could please show me how? I really can't understand how they are equal!

Do we use Partial fractions to expand the fractions or am I way off?
 
1/C1 = (C2 + C3)/(C2 + C3)C1

1/(C2 + C3) = C1/(C2 + C3)C1 :wink:

(generally, 1/a + 1/b = (a + b)/ab )
 

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