Circuit analysis -- Find active and reactive power in the branch....

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a circuit involving sinusoidal currents, focusing on finding the active and reactive power in a specific branch. Participants explore methods for solving a system of complex equations derived from loop current analysis, as well as the verification of results through simulation software.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster presents a detailed analysis using loop current analysis to derive equations for the circuit and calculates the currents and powers.
  • Some participants question the calculation of the current \underline{I_{52}}, suggesting it should be \underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{I_{C2}}+\underline{I_{C4}} instead of \underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{I_{C2}}+\underline{I_{C3}}.
  • There is a suggestion that modern symbolic algebra software could simplify the solving of the system of equations.
  • One participant proposes using a calculator capable of complex arithmetic to ease the computational burden instead of avoiding software altogether.
  • Questions arise regarding the impedance values calculated for the inductor and capacitor, with some participants expressing skepticism about the values given the circuit parameters.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of using OrCAD for simulation, with some expressing unfamiliarity with the software and suggesting alternatives like LTSpice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct formulation of \underline{I_{52}} or the impedance values for the inductor and capacitor. Multiple competing views and methods for solving the circuit analysis remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the accuracy of impedance values based on the given circuit parameters, indicating potential limitations in the initial assumptions or calculations. The discussion also reflects varying preferences for computational methods, with some favoring software solutions and others advocating for manual calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in electrical engineering or physics who are interested in circuit analysis, particularly those exploring different methods for solving complex equations and verifying results through simulation.

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Homework Statement


Given the circuit of sinusoidal current (attachment 1) with given data:
\underline{E}=100V,\underline{E_1}=40V,\underline{Z}=(10+j10)\Omega,\omega=10^5rad/s,L=1mH,<br /> C=0.1uF. Find \underline{I_L},\underline{U_{16}}, active and reactive power in the branch 2-5.

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2. The attempt at a solution
Using the loop current analysis we can find four loops (attachment 2) that correspond to linear system of four complex equations:

C_1: (2\underline{Z}+jX_L)\underline{I_{C1}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C2}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C3}}+\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C4}}=\underline{E_1}-\underline{E}
C_2: 2\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C2}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C3}}+\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C4}}=\underline{E_1}+\underline{E}
C_3: 2\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C3}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C2}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C4}}=\underline{E}
C_4: (2\underline{Z}-jX_C)\underline{I_{C4}}+2\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C2}}-\underline{Z}\underline{I_{C3}}=\underline{E_1}-\underline{E}

This gives:
(20+j120)\underline{I_{C1}}-(10+j10)\underline{I_{C2}}-(10+j10)\underline{I_{C3}}+(20+j20)\underline{I_{C4}}=-60

(-10-j10)\underline{I_{C1}}+(20+j20)\underline{I_{C2}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C3}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C4}}=140

(-10-j10)\underline{I_{C1}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C2}}+(20+j20)\underline{I_{C3}}+(-10-j10)\underline{I_{C4}}=100

(20+j20)\underline{I_{C1}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C2}}-(10+j10)\underline{I_{C3}}+(20-j80)\underline{I_{C4}}=-60

After reducing to 3x3 system:

(30+j230)\underline{I_{C1}}+(-10-j10)\underline{I_{C3}}+(50+j50)\underline{I_{C4}}=20

(10+j110)\underline{I_{C1}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C3}}+(10+j10)\underline{I_{C4}}=20

(40+j140)\underline{I_{C1}}+(-20-j20)\underline{I_{C3}}+(40-j60)\underline{I_{C4}}=-120After reducing to 2x2 system:

(40+j340)\underline{I_{C1}}+(60+j60)\underline{I_{C4}}=60

(-20-j320)\underline{I_{C1}}+(-60-j160)\underline{I_{C4}}=-160

<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 40+j340 &amp; 60+j60 \\<br /> -20-j320 &amp; -60-j160 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \underline{I_{C1}} \\<br /> \underline{I_{C4}} \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}=\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 60 \\<br /> -160 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}\Rightarrow<br />

\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 40+j340 &amp; 60+j60 &amp; 60+j0 \\<br /> -20-j320 &amp; -60-j160 &amp; -160+j0 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}=

\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 40 &amp; -340 &amp; 60 &amp; -60 &amp; 60 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 340 &amp; 40 &amp; 60 &amp; 60 &amp; 0 &amp; 60 \\<br /> -20 &amp; 320 &amp; -60 &amp; 160 &amp; -160 &amp; 0 \\<br /> -320 &amp; -20 &amp; -160 &amp; -60 &amp; 0 &amp; -160 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

Reduced row echelon form of this matrix is:
\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1275/7481 &amp; -240/7481 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 240/7481 &amp; 1275/7481 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 303/7481 &amp; 7688/7481\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; -7688/7481 &amp; 303/7481 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}

Now:

\underline{I_{C1}}=\frac{1275}{7481}+j\frac{240}{7481},\underline{I_{C4}}=\frac{303}{7481}-j\frac{7688}{7481}\Rightarrow \underline{I_{C3}}=\frac{8209}{7481}-j\frac{15089}{7481},$$$$\underline{I_{C2}}=\frac{22565}{7481}-j\frac{14675}{7481}

\underline{I_L}=\underline{I_{C1}},\underline{U_{16}}=-jX_C \underline{I_{16}},\underline{I_{16}}=\underline{I_{C2}}\Rightarrow \underline{U_{16}}=-\frac{1467500}{7481}-j\frac{2256500}{7481}

Active and reactive power in the branch 2-5 can be found by complex apparent power, \underline{S_{25}}=\underline{U_{25}}\underline{{I_{52}}^{*}}

\underline{I_{52}}=\underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{I_{C2}}+\underline{I_{C3}}=\frac{32049}{7481}-j\frac{29524}{7481}
\underline{U_{25}}=\underline{E_1}-\underline{I_{52}}\underline{Z}=-\frac{316490}{7481}-j\frac{25250}{7481}\Rightarrow \underline{S_{25}}=-\frac{9397707010}{55965361}-j\frac{10153288010}{55965361}

\Rightarrow P=-\frac{9397707010}{55965361} W,Q=-\frac{10153288010}{55965361} var

Question: Could someone check if the results are correct?

UPDATE:

Question: What type of simulation in OrCAD Capture CIS Lite 16.6 can be used for checking these results?
 
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Near the end of all your analysis you have: I52 = IC1+IC2+IC3 but I think it should be I52 = IC1+IC2+IC4

You sure used a cumbersome method of solving the system. Modern symbolic algebra software can solve the system in one go:

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The Electrician said:
Near the end of all your analysis you have: I52 = IC1+IC2+IC3 but I think it should be I52 = IC1+IC2+IC4
You sure used a cumbersome method of solving the system.

You are correct about the current \underline{I_{52}}. It should be \underline{I_{52}}=\underline{I_{C1}}+\underline{I_{C2}}+\underline{I_{C4}}.

Do you know the easier method for solving the system of linear complex equations without any software?

Also, do you know if it is possible to check the results in OrCAD?
 
Why do you want to solve the system without any software? How about using a calculator that can do complex arithmetic? That would at least relieve some of the burden of the massive amount of number crunching.

I don't use OrCad, so I can't help you there.
 
@gruba: How did you arrive at 120 Ω for XL and 20 Ω for XC?

I'm not familiar with OrCad, but it would be straightforward to set up a simulation using a Spice package such as LTSpice (which is free).
 
gneill said:
@gruba: How did you arrive at 120 Ω for XL and 20 Ω for XC?
The reason I ask is that with a source angular frequency of 105 rad/sec and part values for the inductor and capacitor being 1 mH and 0.1 μF, impedance values of 120 and 20 Ohms are not possible.

You might also find that their actual impedance values have a particularly fortuitous relationship that can greatly simplify your circuit analysis approach... :wink:
 

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