Energy of a material with permanent polarization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of energy stored in an electric field when a material exhibits permanent polarization. Participants explore the implications of polarization on the energy density formula used in electrostatics.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the energy density formula $$W = \frac{1 }{2} E \cdot D$$ fails in the presence of permanent polarization and questions how to calculate the energy in such cases.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on why the formula fails when permanent polarization is present.
  • A third participant points out that in a system with only polarized material, the free charge density is zero, suggesting that the formula would predict zero total energy, which raises questions about the validity of the formula in this context.
  • A later reply introduces an alternative perspective, referencing Maxwell’s macroscopic equations and deriving a relationship that leads back to the original energy density formula under certain assumptions about the medium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the energy density formula in the context of permanent polarization, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the material and the conditions under which the energy density formula is applied, particularly in relation to the presence of free charge and the characteristics of the polarized medium.

Rafael
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In electrostatics, for what I understand the when I have an electric field, the density of the energy stored in it is given by the following formula:
$$W = \frac{1 }{2} E \cdot D$$But when there is some material permantent polarization the above formula fails to work.
Is this correct?
How can the energy be calculated?
 
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Rafael said:
But when there is some material permantent polarization the above formula fails to work.
Why does it fail?
 
Dale said:
Why does it fail?
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is derived from:

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But ρ is the free charge:
$$ρ = \nabla \cdot D$$

In a system with just a electrical polarizated material there isn`t free charge (ρ = 0), so the formula above should predict that the total energy is 0.
 
Hmm, I am not sure where you got that derivation, but it is not the only way. From Maxwell’s macroscopic equations you can easily get ##\partial_t W_E=E\cdot \partial_t D##. Then if we assume a linear dispersionless medium ##D=\epsilon E## then we get ##\partial_t W_E=\partial_t (\frac{1}{2}E\cdot D)## so therefore ##W_E=\frac{1}{2}E\cdot D##
 

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