Energy of particle when under a central force

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The discussion centers on calculating the kinetic energy of a particle under a central force, particularly in relation to gravitational forces. The original poster expresses uncertainty about determining velocity and kinetic energy, referencing the familiar formula for satellites orbiting Earth. Participants clarify that for bound orbits, total mechanical energy should be negative, while a zero total energy indicates an unbound, parabolic trajectory. They also note that the original problem involves an inverse-cube force, which differs from the typical inverse-square force seen in gravitational scenarios. The conversation concludes with a suggestion to use the virial theorem for future calculations.
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Homework Statement
A particle moves in a circular orbit about the origin under action of a central force ##\vec F = -k\hat r/r^3##. If the potential energy is zero at infinity, what is the total energy of the particle?
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##E_{total} = E_{kinetic} + E_{potential}##
I calculated the potential energy of the particle as follows :

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But I am not sure how to calculate the kinetic energy. I know that if it was a satellite orbiting a Earth, I could use ##\frac {GMm} {r^2} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## to calculate the velocity v and they I could calculate kinetic energy as ##E_{kinetic} = \frac {mv^2} 2##.
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
I know that if it was a satellite orbiting a Earth, I could use ##\frac {GMm} {r^2} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## to calculate the velocity v and they I could calculate kinetic energy as ##E_{kinetic} = \frac {mv^2} 2##.
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?

Where did the left-hand side come from in the case of the gravitational force?
 
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Orodruin said:
Where did the left-hand side come from in the case of the gravitational force?

The term is the gravitational force acting between Earth and the satellite.

I put ##\frac k {r^3} = \frac {mv^2} {r}## and found ##E_{kinetic} = \frac k {2r^2}##. Is this correct? If this is correct, that would mean the total energy of the particle is 0. Is this possible?
 
Saptarshi Sarkar said:
If this is correct, that would mean the total energy of the particle is 0. Is this possible?
Sure. Why not?
 
vela said:
Sure. Why not?

Won't that mean that the particle is not bound anymore?
 
It's right on the edge. Give it a little more energy, and it will go off to infinity. Take a little away, and it'll spiral in.
 
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Hmm. A circular orbit should have a negative total mechanical energy, as should any elliptical orbit. The on-the-edge orbit is that of a parabola where the total mechanical energy is zero. Hyperbolic orbits have positive values for total mechanical energy.

I think there must be a sign issue with your PE. If you look at some common expressions for the specific mechanical energy for an orbit:

##\xi = \frac{v^2}{2} - \frac{\mu}{r}##
##\xi = - \frac{\mu}{2a}##
##\xi = \mu \frac{\left(e^2 - 1 \right)}{2p}##

where ##a## is the semi major axis, ##e## is the eccentricity, and ##p## is the semi latus rectum.

You should be able to tell from these expressions that bound orbits will have negative mechanical energy.
 
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gneill said:
Hmm. A circular orbit should have a negative total mechanical energy, as should any elliptical orbit. The on-the-edge orbit is that of a parabola where the total mechanical energy is zero. Hyperbolic orbits have positive values for total mechanical energy.
For an inverse-square force. The problem the OP is dealing with is an inverse-cube force.
 
vela said:
For an inverse-square force. The problem the OP is dealing with is an inverse-cube force.
I thought the cube was an error, since in the original problem statement there was a vector r in the numerator. The "extra" r in the denominator accounts for forming a unit vector: ##\frac{\vec{r}}{|r|}##
 
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The original problem statement has a unit vector in the numerator.
 
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vela said:
The original problem statement has a unit vector in the numerator.
Fair enough. I stand corrected.
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
But how do I calculate the velocity for the given force?
For future reference, with such problems you can get the answer directly by considering the virial theorem.
 
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