Energy required to remove point charges

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The problem involves four charges arranged at the corners of a square, with the objective of determining the electric field at the center and the energy required to remove one of the negative charges. The charges are specified as -Q and +Q, with given values for Q and the side length of the square.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the electric field at the center of the square, considering the contributions from each charge and the cancellation of components. There are attempts to compute the potential at the location of the negative charge and the energy required for its removal.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively checking calculations and discussing the implications of signs and units in their results. There is a focus on clarifying the change in potential when moving a charge to infinity and how it affects the energy calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of potential values and the need for careful attention to signs in calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the numerical results and their physical meaning.

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Homework Statement



Four charges are placed at the corners of a square of side length a, as follows : -Q on the top left corner, +Q on the top right corner, -Q on the bottom left corner and +Q on the bottom right corner. Determine the electric field at the centre of the square and determine the energy required to remove one of the negative charges from this configuration for Q=10 uC and a=1 m.

Homework Equations



E=(k|q|)/r^2
V=kq/r
W=qV


The Attempt at a Solution



First, for the electric field, I worked out r at the center of the square using Pythagoras' theorem and found r to be (a/sqrt(2)). I then substituted that into the equation for Electric field and got (2kq/(a^2)). This is for one charge only. (I took the top left). From this configuration, I thought that the y components of the electric field would cancel due to the four charges leaving me with only the x components to deal with. The x components of the field for this particular charge is -(2kq/(a^2))cos 45 which gives -sqrt(2)kq/(a^2). So, the net electric field due to the four charges would be 4 times this. Could you please check this?

For the second part of the question, I decided to work out the potential at the negative charge location (bottom left) due to the other charges using V=kq/r. I got the three potentials as being -89 880 V, 89 880 V and 63554.76V (?). I then added the three potentials together to get 63554.76 V and so the energy required to remove one of the negative charges (bottom left in my case) equals qV. And so, I got the final answer as being -6.355x10^-11 which seems like a strange answer. I would need some help, please

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So, the net electric field due to the four charges would be 4 times this. Could you please check this?
Right.

For the second part of the question, I decided to work out the potential at the negative charge location (bottom left) due to the other charges using V=kq/r. I got the three potentials as being -89 880 V, 89 880 V and 63554.76V (?). I then added the three potentials together to get 63554.76 V and so the energy required to remove one of the negative charges (bottom left in my case) equals qV.
Looks good.
And so, I got the final answer as being -6.355x10^-11 which seems like a strange answer. I would need some help, please
It is a strange answer as it does not have units. And I don't see how you get this numerical value and its sign.
 
Sorry, I forgot to put the unit. it is the Joule (J) and I got the numerical value by using Q=10 uC and V=V1 +V2 +V3 (the three potentials added together). So, the net potential is 63554.76 V and so qV= -10*10^-6*63554.76 which gives this answer. The sign is negative because q is negative. Is this wrong?
 
boiteporte said:
Sorry, I forgot to put the unit. it is the Joule (J) and I got the numerical value by using Q=10 uC and V=V1 +V2 +V3 (the three potentials added together). So, the net potential is 63554.76 V and so qV= -10*10^-6*63554.76 which gives this answer. The sign is negative because q is negative. Is this wrong?

You really want qΔV. What is the change in potential for the charge moved to infinity?
 
The potential at infinity is defined to be 0, right? And the potential at the current location is 63554.76 V is it not? So, is the change in potential -63554.76 V??
 
boiteporte said:
The potential at infinity is defined to be 0, right? And the potential at the current location is 63554.76 V is it not? So, is the change in potential -63554.76 V??

Yes.
 
I think I am almost there. The final answer is q*delta V. So, it is -10*10^-6*-63554.76. So, this equals 6.355*10^-11 J. Is this correct?
 
That value is wrong. How did you calculate it?
Please use brackets:
-10*10^(-6)*(-63554.76)
 
Ok, The answer should be 0.64 J. I got the brackets wrong. Is this correct now?
 

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