Energy spectrum from dispersion relation E(k)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around obtaining the energy spectrum from a specific dispersion relation expressed as a fourth-order polynomial in energy (E). Participants explore the implications of complex energy solutions and the origins of the dispersion relation, which is related to a one-dimensional lattice with a two-atom basis and specific on-site energies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a fourth-order polynomial equation for energy E, derived from a dispersion relation, and expresses confusion over obtaining imaginary energies.
  • Another participant questions the origin of the equation, noting it does not resemble the typical form of a tight-binding model.
  • A participant clarifies that the equation arises from the renormalization of a more complex structure, indicating uncertainty about its derivation but confidence in the dispersion relation itself.
  • It is noted that solving for E is an algebraic problem, and since the polynomial is fourth-order, it can yield up to four solutions, which may be real or complex.
  • One participant suggests that complex energies could indicate states with finite lifetimes, linking the imaginary part of energy to the concept of state lifetimes.
  • There is a suggestion to use different software packages for finding polynomial roots to verify the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of obtaining complex energies, with some suggesting it indicates finite lifetimes of states, while others focus on the correctness of the approach to solving the polynomial. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the parameters and the implications of the complex solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions behind the dispersion relation or the specific conditions under which the polynomial was derived. There are unresolved questions about the appropriateness of the model parameters and their impact on the results.

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Hi. What I'm trying to do is to obtain the energy spectrum from the following dispersion relation:

[tex]E^4-A·E^3+B·E^2-C·E+D-F·E^2·cos(k·a_0)^2+G·E·cos(k·a_0)^2-H·cos(k·a_0)^2 = 0[/tex]

where E is the energy, k is the wave vector and a0 the distance between adjacent neighbors in a 1-Dimensional lattice with a two-atom basis, with some weird on-site energies.

Given the following model parameters:

A = -48.37528081
B = +877.6426691
C = -7077.321036
D = +21403.79575
F = -0.00002232761528
G = +0.0005479196789
H = -0.003361487230

I keep getting imaginary energies! What I do is simply solve the equation for E given some values for k. Am I doing it wrong? Or the parameters must be wrong? Please help! :(
 
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Where does that equation come from? That doesn't have the usual form of a tight-binding equation.
 
kanato said:
Where does that equation come from? That doesn't have the usual form of a tight-binding equation.

It comes from the renormalization of a more complex structure in terms of some on-site energies. I yet don't understand very well were it comes from (I'm sure about the dispersion relation, though), all I want to know is if what I'm doing is right or not...
 
Well all you're doing is solving for E, right? It's an algebraic problem at this point, and the physics has been done. Since it's a 4th order polynomial, there are four solutions, which may be real or complex.

If everything is correct, and you are getting complex energies, then that would mean you have states with finite lifetimes. How are you solving for E? Many software packages can find roots of polynomials, have you checked with different ones?
 
If there is a renormalization process, then the energy could be complex
the imaginary of the energy represent the lifetime of that particular state.
 

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