Energy stored in a capacitor works

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter hhhmortal
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Capacitor Energy Works
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms by which capacitors store energy, particularly focusing on the role of dielectrics and the relationship between charge, voltage, and capacitance. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical implications, and conceptual clarifications regarding energy storage in capacitors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how energy is stored in a capacitor, questioning the impact of polarization charges on the electric field and potential difference.
  • Another participant suggests that a capacitor stores energy due to the potential energy created by opposite charges on the plates, which are prevented from moving together by the absence of a connection.
  • A different participant discusses the concept of an ideal capacitor without real materials, explaining that the dielectric can be considered absent (as in a vacuum), and emphasizes that the electric field exists solely between the plates.
  • One participant raises a question about the relationship between dielectric constant, capacitance, and voltage, suggesting that if capacitance increases, the voltage must remain constant for charge to increase, thereby increasing stored energy.
  • A follow-up post reiterates the previous point about the effects of using a constant voltage source versus disconnecting the battery when inserting a dielectric, noting that this changes the potential difference and energy stored in the capacitor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and perspectives on the role of dielectrics and the conditions under which voltage and charge change. There is no clear consensus on the mechanisms of energy storage or the implications of changing dielectric materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various scenarios involving ideal versus real capacitors, the role of dielectrics, and the implications of connecting or disconnecting power sources, indicating a complex interplay of factors that influence energy storage. Some assumptions about ideal conditions and real-world applications remain unaddressed.

hhhmortal
Messages
175
Reaction score
0
Im having trouble understanding how capacitors store energy. If a potential difference is applied to two parallel plates each with +-Q, it will set up polarisation charges on the dieletric between, which reduces the electric field inside the material. The potential difference between the plates is reduced and hence capacitance is increased.

But in terms of the electric field how does it store the energy?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi hhhmortal! :smile:
hhhmortal said:
Im having trouble understanding how capacitors store energy …

I don't see the problem…

a capacitor stores energy because opposite charges are on opposite plates of the capacitor …

they want to get together, but the absence of any connection stops them …

that's potential energy, because if you join the plates (either the quick way, or more usually the long way round via a circuit), the charges will move, and will do work in doing so. :wink:
 
I also have had trouble with detailed descriptions dielectrics in capacitors, but then I am not a materials person, and so it doesn't matter much to me.

I will try to repeat the information of the previous reply in a different way.

An ideal capacitor has no real materials, neither for the plates, nor the dielectric. One may make a "real" capacitor with two plates, perhaps using a metal, but even in this case there is nothing wrong with the dielectric material being absent. In this case, the dielectric is the vacuum. Notice that the dielectric constant of any "real" dielectric (capacitor) is always a ratio of its permittivity compared to the vacuum.

Now, the vacuum is nothing, and so it has no polarization charges. The only charges "in the capacitor" are "on the plates". The entire electric field may be considered simply between these plates without further distraction.

If you should find enlightenment regarding how the polarization charges in a non-ideal dielectric contribute to its relative permittivity (an easy answer, that is), I am curious.
 
Ok yea. The part which I don't understand is if you the dielectric constant is greater inbetween the plates, the capacitance increases. so by looking at equation:

CV = Q

Does this mean V between the plates must stay constant at all times hence the charges increase and thus amount of energy that the capacitor stores increases?
 
hhhmortal said:
Does this mean V between the plates must stay constant at all times hence the charges increase and thus amount of energy that the capacitor stores increases?

i] If you use the same battery (so the voltage, V stays the same) to charge two capacitors, identical except for the dielectric, then the amount of charge changes, and so does the energy stored

ii] but if you disconnect the battery, with the capacitor charged, and move a dielectric in between the plates, then obviously the charge stays the same, and the potential difference (the voltage) changes … since that also changes the energy, I assume you have to do some work to force the dielectric in there! :smile:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K