Enhancing Electric Field Concentration on Electrodes through Focused Techniques

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to enhance the concentration of electric fields on electrodes, exploring various techniques including the use of sharp tips, reflective surfaces, and material variations. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical applications in electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a sharp tip on an electrode can effectively concentrate an electric field.
  • Bill suggests that an ellipsoidal reflective surface can focus radiated energy, drawing parallels to its use in laser cavities.
  • Dibyadeep questions whether the source mentioned refers to electromagnetic waves and compares the reflective surface to a dish antenna.
  • Another participant speculates that the reflector Bill refers to is similar to a standard car muffler and discusses its application in laser technology.
  • There is a claim that an optical lens cannot focus an electric field, as it focuses electromagnetism instead.
  • One participant mentions that a hemisphere of pointy electrodes might concentrate an electrostatic field, proposing a different approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various methods to concentrate electric fields, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some ideas are challenged or refined, but multiple competing views remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific definitions of terms used, such as "focusing" in the context of electric fields versus electromagnetic waves, and the applicability of different reflective surfaces to electrostatic fields.

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I have been trying to think of some way to concentrate an electric field, locally on a given electrode. It is possible by using a very sharp tip on the opposite one, but is it possible by any other means such as an external magnetic field or by introducing different materials within the two electrodes.
 
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thinktank1985 said:
I have been trying to think of some way to concentrate an electric field, locally on a given electrode. It is possible by using a very sharp tip on the opposite one, but is it possible by any other means such as an external magnetic field or by introducing different materials within the two electrodes.

A source at one focus of an ellipsoidal reflective surface will focus the radiated energy at the other focus.

Regards,

Bill
 
Antenna Guy said:
A source at one focus of an ellipsoidal reflective surface will focus the radiated energy at the other focus.

Regards,

Bill

Thanks a lot for your reply...I am bit new to electromagnetism...so could you point me to some books or websites where I could find some more information.

When you talk of a source, do you mean a source of electromagnetic waves? and is the ellipsoidal reflective surface similar to that of a dish antenna that we commonly see.

thanks

dibyadeep
 
Although I'm not sure, I think that Bill is referring to the type of reflector used in some laser cavities. It looks something like a standard car muffler (cross-section is similar to a medicine capsule). Each of the curved surfaces has its own focal distance, so something that occurs at one is focused on the other. In a laser, for instance, you would have a xenon flash tube lying along one focal plane and your lasing medium rod along the other. When the tube fires, the light is focused on the rod to begin pumping.
 
Danger said:
Although I'm not sure, I think that Bill is referring to the type of reflector used in some laser cavities. It looks something like a standard car muffler (cross-section is similar to a medicine capsule). Each of the curved surfaces has its own focal distance, so something that occurs at one is focused on the other. In a laser, for instance, you would have a xenon flash tube lying along one focal plane and your lasing medium rod along the other. When the tube fires, the light is focused on the rod to begin pumping.

I guess what you are talking about is something similar to an optical lens. However, if I have to concentrate the electric field, the equations will be completely different. Will an optical lens ever focus an electric field?
 
No, it's not a lens; it's a reflector.
An optical lens will not focus an electric field. It will focus electromagnetism, since that's what light is. In any event, a lens is not what Bill meant.
This is really not one of my specialties, so I'll refrain from further comment. Bill or someone else will have to carry this on.
 
thinktank1985 said:
Thanks a lot for your reply...I am bit new to electromagnetism...so could you point me to some books or websites where I could find some more information.

Look for info on "gregorian antenna". A gregorian antenna uses an ellipsoidal subreflector to feed a parabolic main reflector (the ellipsoid and parabola have a focal point in common).

Regards,

Bill
 
It sounds like thinktank wants to focus an electrostatic field. A reflecting surface as used for optical-frequency electromagnetic waves will not do this.

The only way I can think of to do this is to have a sharp tip on the electrode where you want the field to be high. Sharpening the opposite electrode would actually weaken the field where you want it strengthened.
 
Redbelly98 said:
It sounds like thinktank wants to focus an electrostatic field.

If so, that would be a different problem.

Perhaps a hemisphere of pointy electrodes (directed inward) would work in a similar fashion - with the center of the sphere as the "focus" of the static field.

Regards,

Bill
 

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