Epsilon/Delta Proof With 2 Variables

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of a function defined in two variables at the origin using an epsilon-delta approach. The function is given as f(x,y) = (x(x² - y²))/(x² + y²) for (x,y) ≠ (0,0) and f(0,0) = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the use of polar coordinates to simplify the epsilon-delta proof, with one suggesting that this method makes the problem easier. There are attempts to express the function in terms of r and θ, leading to discussions about bounding the function's value.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some expressing uncertainty about the application of polar coordinates in this context. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the continuity condition, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches discussed.

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Some participants question the assumptions made about the function's behavior at the origin and the equivalence of certain expressions. The discussion reflects a learning process focused on understanding the epsilon-delta definition of continuity in multiple dimensions.

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Homework Statement


Prove:
f(x,y) = \frac{x(x^{2}-y^{2}}{(x^{2}+y^{2}} if (x,y) \neq (0,0)
0 if (x,y) = (0,0)

is continuous at the origin

Homework Equations



\forall \epsilon > 0 \exists \delta > 0 s.t. if |(x,y)| < \delta then |f(x,y)| < \epsilon

(Since we are proving continuity at the origin)

The Attempt at a Solution



|(x,y)| < \delta \Leftrightarrow x^{2} + y^{2} &lt; \delta^{2}

then this means that |x^{2} - y^{2}| < \delta^{2}

so:

f(x,y) < \frac{x}{x^{2}+y^{2}}(\delta^{2})

and I feel like I'm close but then I'm stuck! All help appreciated thanks !
 
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Gooolati said:

Homework Statement


Prove:
f(x,y) = \frac{x(x^{2}-y^{2}}{(x^{2}+y^{2}} if (x,y) \neq (0,0)
0 if (x,y) = (0,0)

is continuous at the origin

Homework Equations



\forall \epsilon > 0 \exists \delta > 0 s.t. if |(x,y)| < \delta then |f(x,y)| < \epsilon

(Since we are proving continuity at the origin)

The Attempt at a Solution



|(x,y)| < \delta \Leftrightarrow x^{2} + y^{2} &lt; \delta^{2}

then this means that |x^{2} - y^{2}| < \delta^{2}

so:

f(x,y) < \frac{x}{x^{2}+y^{2}}(\delta^{2})

and I feel like I'm close but then I'm stuck! All help appreciated thanks !

Have you tried thinking about it in polar coordinates? It's much easier.
 
hmm I have never used polar coordinates with an epsilon delta proof before

so x=rcosθ
and y=rsin

so f(x,y) is rcosθ(cos^{2}θ - sin^{2}θ)

and r<\delta and cosθ <= 1

so f(x,y) < \delta(cos^{2}θ - sin^{2}θ)

which = \deltacos(2θ) <= \delta(1) = \delta

set \delta = \epsilon

does this work?
 
Gooolati said:
hmm I have never used polar coordinates with an epsilon delta proof before

so x=rcosθ
and y=rsin

so f(x,y) is rcosθ(cos^{2}θ - sin^{2}θ)

and r<\delta and cosθ <= 1

so f(x,y) < \delta(cos^{2}θ - sin^{2}θ)

which = \deltacos(2θ) <= \delta(1) = \delta

set \delta = \epsilon

does this work?

Sure does. If r<ε then |f(r,θ)-f(0,0)|<ε.
 
Dick said:
Sure does. If r<ε then |f(r,θ)-f(0,0)|<ε.
Isn't that |f(r,θ)-f(0,θ)| < ε ?
 
SammyS said:
Isn't that |f(r,θ)-f(0,θ)| < ε ?

Oh, you know what I mean. But I don't see why you'd have to write it that way. f(0,θ)=0 and f(0,0)=0. Same thing. They are both the origin in xy coordinates.
 

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