Equation For Levitating Magnets?

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The discussion revolves around the forces involved in levitating magnets, specifically the lifting capacity of opposing magnets and the potential equations that could describe this phenomenon. Participants explore both theoretical and experimental approaches to understanding magnetic levitation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the force that two opposing negative magnets can exert and whether there is an equation to determine how much weight they can support.
  • Another participant suggests that using electromagnets may simplify calculations, as the lifting force can be adjusted by varying the current, which directly affects the magnetic field strength.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of Gauss units, questioning how much weight can be held by magnets with a specific Gauss strength, and whether this differs for electromagnets.
  • One participant asserts that the force would remain the same for both stationary and electromagnets, referencing a wiki link that contains relevant equations, although they express uncertainty about their own understanding of magnetism.
  • Another participant proposes a practical experiment using an acrylic tube and cylindrical magnets to measure the weight required to make the magnets touch, suggesting that this method may yield more accurate results than theoretical equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express differing views on the applicability of equations versus experimental methods, and there is uncertainty regarding the effects of Gauss units on lifting capacity.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the types of magnets and their configurations, as well as the limitations of theoretical equations in capturing the complexities of magnetic interactions.

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Hello there,

I was wondering how much force can two opposing negative magnets hold. If you had two magnets levitating for example, how much weight would they hold up. So, I was wondering if there is some kind of equation for this with the strength of the magnets as the variable.
 
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If you are using electro-magnets it might be slightly easier because you can simply work to current values.

More current = stronger magnetic field. So you can increase the lifting force by increasing the current through the coil and simply use current values to show the lifting force.

I'd recommend starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation

Perhaps under the lift section.
 
jarednjames said:
If you are using electro-magnets it might be slightly easier because you can simply work to current values.

More current = stronger magnetic field. So you can increase the lifting force by increasing the current through the coil and simply use current values to show the lifting force.

I'd recommend starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation

Perhaps under the lift section.

Whether it is electromagnet or not doesn't concern me because I am mainly concerned with the Gauss units and how many pounds of force 138000 Gauss units can hold for example. Unless an electromagnet with the same amount of Gauss units would have a different levitating force.
 
No, the force would be the same for stationary or eletro-magnet.

The wiki link gives some equations, but I was never good with magnetism so I can't be of much more help unfortunately.
 
You should get an acrylic 'tube' and two cylindrical magnets and drop them in there and see how much weight it takes to make them touch. If you know the strength of the magnets it would seem pretty easy to calculate. To me that seems easier and more accurate that an equation, though more expensive. I know that's not the answer you were looking for but what's wrong with some real life experimentation.
 
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