Equation for trapzoidal motion in motors

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The discussion revolves around calculating the timing and distance for a motor's trapezoidal motion, specifically aiming for a 20-degree rotation in 2 seconds. The calculations involve determining the time intervals t1 and t2, with t2 being double t1, and using the equation t1 = sqrt(Θ_T / 3a) to derive the necessary values. A participant points out inconsistencies in the calculations for a 90-degree rotation, noting that the sum of calculated angles exceeds 90 degrees, indicating a potential error. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly interpreting the velocity vs. time graph and understanding that the motor's motion is not truly trapezoidal.
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Hello,
For a motor, we need to calculate the traveled distance and proper timing for its motion. Here is the trapzodial motion of our motor( we need that our motor traveled 20 degree in 2 seconds). (where t2=2t1)
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we know that the traveled distance is surface of our velocity diagram. So:

\frac{1}{2}at_{1}+V_{0}t_{2}+\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=\Theta_{T}=>(V_{0}=at_{1},t_{2}=2t_{1} )=>t_{1}=\sqrt{\frac{\Theta_{T}}{3a}}
for having t1=.5s @ theta=20 degree-> a=27.
by solving this equation we find t1=.49 and t2=.99 which seems be correct.

However, By calculating this equation for theta=90 degree (a=27) =>t1=1.29, t2=2.58. I calculated traveled distance:
\Theta_{1}=\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=22.46 degree
V=at=>V_{0}=at_{1}=> \Theta_{2}=V_{0}t_{2}=at_{1}t_{2}=89.9 degree
\Theta_{3}=\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=22.46 degree
\Theta_{1}+\Theta_{2}+\Theta_{3}>90

what is my mistake?
 
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I believe your post has some typos but anyway:
$$t_1=\sqrt{\frac{\Theta_T}{3a}}$$ looks correct to me. But when I apply it for ##\Theta_T=90## and ##a=27## I get ##t_1=1.05##. ##t_2=2.1##
 
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Hello,
For a motor, we need to calculate the traveled distance and proper timing for its motion. Here is the trapzodial motion of our motor( we need that our motor traveled 20 degree in 2 seconds). (where t2=2t1)
Do you mean that the motor rotated 20 degrees in 2 seconds?
Your problem description is very confusing. The motor is not traveling on a trapezoidal path. This is a graph of velocity vs. time.
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we know that the traveled distance is surface of our velocity diagram. So:

\frac{1}{2}at_{1}+V_{0}t_{2}+\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=\Theta_{T}=>(V_{0}=at_{1},t_{2}=2t_{1} )=>t_{1}=\sqrt{\frac{\Theta_{T}}{3a}}
for having t1=.5s @ theta=20 degree-> a=27.
by solving this equation we find t1=.49 and t2=.99 which seems be correct.
From what you already said, total time is 2 seconds, and t2 = 2t1, so t1 = 0.5 sec. and t2 = 1.0 sec.
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However, By calculating this equation for theta=90 degree (a=27) =>t1=1.29, t2=2.58. I calculated traveled distance:
\Theta_{1}=\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=22.46 degree
V=at=>V_{0}=at_{1}=> \Theta_{2}=V_{0}t_{2}=at_{1}t_{2}=89.9 degree
\Theta_{3}=\frac{1}{2}at_{1}=22.46 degree
\Theta_{1}+\Theta_{2}+\Theta_{3}>90

what is my mistake?
From your graph, at the start acceleration a is constant and positive, reaching a maximum velocity of v0 in the first 1/2 second. Velocity v is constant for the next full second. At t = 1.5 second, the motor decelerates from v0 to 0, so a is negative.
 
I am really appreciative of your response.
Thanks Delta2 , I see that I calculated wrongly and it works fine.
Thanks Mark44 , but I didn't calculate the traveled distance via velocity equation I calculated the traveled distance via surface of the diagram where the value is positive every where.
 
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Thanks Mark44 , but I didn't calculate the traveled distance via velocity equation I calculated the traveled distance via surface of the diagram where the value is positive every where.
What does the diagram represent? You didn't label the axes, but the horizontal axis is time, and the vertical axis appears to be velocity (##v_0## is marked on it).

If this is a graph of velocity vs. time, it doesn't make any sense to calculate the total distance traveled base on the length of the three segments that make up the graph.

As I mentioned before, in the first half second, velocity appears to be increasing from 0 to ##v_0##. In the next second, velocity is constant, and in the last half second, velocity is decreasing from ##v_0## back to 0. This means that that acceleration a is negative in the last half second.

Also, the motor is not moving trapezoidally, at least if I understand what your graph is supposed to represent.
 
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